Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans • Hacker News Board

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by webuiarchitect » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 11:43 AM UTC

barmstrong wrote: post #114

grandalf wrote: post #53

Is anybody actually using NetBeans for Ruby? I tried it very early in my exploration of Ruby, but quickly switched to gedit, and eventually emacs (using technomancy's emacs starter kit). Now that I use emacs, any other editor (particularly one that requires a hand on the mouse) feels like an RSI producing nightmare.

I use it daily at CarWoo.com IDE's still have a few killer features over text editors that I miss when I don't have them.

You should seriously give Vim a try; I bet you would never go back to any IDE afterwards.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by gaoshan » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 1:07 PM UTC

shortlived wrote: post #83

gaoshan wrote: post #61

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Ugh, I hope not. I've wedded Netbeans to my PHP development process (and projects) rather tightly so the thought of having to switch (especially to something I find inferior like Eclipse) makes me nervous.

I would love to know why you think netbeans is inferior to eclipse? Perhaps for Java, it's a different story, because Eclipse is so much better than NB.

The number one reason would be debugging. The debugging environment as it relates to PHP with Netbeans is simpler to configure and easier to use than with Eclipse. There are other reasons but I feel they are more subjective than the debugging issue. I've tried Eclipse many times over the years and have always either gone back to the old Zend IDE (before they moved to the Eclipse platform) or Netbeans (lately) in frustration.

To be honest, I frequently use Vim for quick editing but when debugging PHP Netbeans beats Eclipse hands down.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by bad_user » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 1:26 PM UTC

hopeless wrote: post #60

steveklabnik wrote: post #37

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ruby-debug?

urgh... yes I've used it but I was hoping for something a little less 1980's. We can have multiple windows now ;-) I find it useful to be able to see the current stack, drill into variables, view my code with syntax highlighting, and the current line all at the same time. It helps me understand where I am.

Oh I wish somebody would bring that 1980 technology to Java / .NET.

It would make things so much easier for me.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by foljs » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 3:56 PM UTC

vtail wrote: post #97

msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

> I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

Do you REALLLY don't understand that?

Because it is, say, about 100% understandable.

a) Oracle took away a tool some people used. b) Several of those people feel pissed by this.

Between (a) and (b), what does all this fluff about this being "[Oracle's] free choice" has to do with anybody feeling pissed?

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by rockyb » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 3:57 PM UTC

hopeless wrote: post #60

steveklabnik wrote: post #37

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ruby-debug?

urgh... yes I've used it but I was hoping for something a little less 1980's. We can have multiple windows now ;-) I find it useful to be able to see the current stack, drill into variables, view my code with syntax highlighting, and the current line all at the same time. It helps me understand where I am.

There is an an emacs interface to ruby-debug. See http://bashdb.sourceforge.net/rdebug-emacs.html

The rewrite of ruby-debug for Rubinius currently supports syntax highlighting via CodeRay. See https://github.com/rocky/rbx-trepanning or https://github.com/rocky/rbx-trepanning/wiki/Terminal-Colors for how to set that up.

The github project Emacs interface for the newer series of debuggers is https://github.com/rocky/emacs-dbgr.

But as someone else pointed out, it sounds like you'd be happier using an IDE such as one from JetBrains, Aptana, or Eclipse.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by rhizome » Sat, Jan 29, 2011, 1:32 AM UTC

vtail wrote: post #101

rhizome wrote: post #99

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Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. This is not a fact, it's merely an article of faith of the religion known as Capitalism.

That is a certain world view, indeed. Milton Friedman had an excellent argumentation defending this world view: http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/fr...

I'll try to read that over the weekend, but I'll just note that it's not difficult, especially for someone of Friedman's stature and intelligence, to construct an internally consistent exposition of a particular worldview. That is to say, I hope he accounts for falsifiability. ;)

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by mcosta » Sat, Jan 29, 2011, 5:18 PM UTC

InclinedPlane wrote: post #113

melling wrote: post #58

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Oracle has a profitable business model. It works for them. They have some open source projects that they no longer care to support. In the open source model, someone else is free to carry the torch. It should only require a few people to adopt the Ruby plugin. There are already lots of Netbeans plugins so the learning curve: http://plugins.netbeans.org/PluginPortal Complaining about Oracle, or any profit driven compa…

They have a profitable business model... for now. They are doing an excellent job of pissing off all of the people who make the purchasing decisions for Oracle products. This isn't the best idea.

Anyone who cares about open source doesn't buys oracle. So now it doesn't matter. 5 years from now, when "open source believer" rise to a management position, and all the infrastructure and people is oracle, the is really very little decision power.