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Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by gaoshan »

mgkimsal wrote: post #8
mjuhl24 wrote: post #3

Any suggestions on an alternative IDE?

http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/ Eclipse also has support for Ruby, no? Sort of sad to see this happen, but I'd prefer they keep netbeans going and streamline it to be really good at a few things, rather than being 'ok' at lots of stuff. Ruby doesn't really fit with Oracle's offerings, although PHP doesn't either. Perhaps PHP support will be dropped in the future?

Ugh, I hope not. I've wedded Netbeans to my PHP development process (and projects) rather tightly so the thought of having to switch (especially to something I find inferior like Eclipse) makes me nervous.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by mikeryan »

hopeless wrote: post #22

Nooooo.... I've gradually moved away from NetBeans as a general Ruby/Rails editor but I often came back for the great debugging support. Any suggestion for alternative Rails debuggers?

I've moved away from it to just using TextMate.

But I always thought that RadRails was pretty good. YMMV

http://aptana.com/products/radrails

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by AhtiK »

msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

For some background on Hudson vs Oracle there's a related HN post from yesterday, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2144285

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by jamesbritt »

w1ntermute wrote: post #54
fierarul wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OSS community for Hudson (actually, CloudBees) is forking Hudson against Oracle's will. RoR support is just dropped due to various constraints and the community is actually encouraged to intervene: >However, we strongly encourage our community of NetBeans Ruby users and developers to volunteer to take on development of Ruby on Rails support for the NetBeans IDE. I'm curious if people will pick up RoR support or j…

How widely is NetBeans used by the RoR community? I'm (purely) guessing not very widely at all.

I've used it for (J)Ruby GUI development. The built-in WYSYWYG editor is pretty sweet, so Netbeans works very well as as an all-in-one dev tool for building JRuby + Swing + Monkeybars apps.

I've never used it for any Rails development, and found the coupling of the Ruby packages with Rails gems, and the presumption in the add-ons that any Ruby project was a Rails project, a bit dopey. There seems to be no way to install the Ruby stuff without the Rail stuff, though.

I much prefer using vim for development, and while there's a vim plugin for Netbeans I typically did serious editing in an external vim instance while using Netbeans for GUI stuff, or for some refactoring, which it does quite well.

For people who like IDEs, Netbeans is a really good Ruby/JRuby editor.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by erino »

msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

That reminds me of Wowbagger, the Infinitely Prolonged from HHTTG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wowbagger,_the_Infinitely_Prolo...

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by jamesbritt »

grandalf wrote: post #53

Is anybody actually using NetBeans for Ruby? I tried it very early in my exploration of Ruby, but quickly switched to gedit, and eventually emacs (using technomancy's emacs starter kit). Now that I use emacs, any other editor (particularly one that requires a hand on the mouse) feels like an RSI producing nightmare.

Netbeans has some very nice autocomplete, drop-down help, and refactoring and debugging stuff for Ruby, but I could never use it for serous code editing. I liked it for the WYSIWYG GUI editor when building some Ruby GUI apps, but much prefer vim for general coding (vim plugins for Netbeans notwithstanding).

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by thecoffman »

daveungerer wrote: post #45
hopeless wrote: post #22

Nooooo.... I've gradually moved away from NetBeans as a general Ruby/Rails editor but I often came back for the great debugging support. Any suggestion for alternative Rails debuggers?

https://github.com/astashov/vim-ruby-debugger Works really well once you've sorted a few quirks - it's what finally allowed me to fully switch from NetBeans to Vim about a month ago. Hint: add the following to your .vimrc if using MacVim: let g:ruby_debugger_progname = 'mvim'

Thanks for the tip - will be checking this out tonight. Double thanks for the MacVim tip - I'm sure I would have been tripped up and off to Google without it.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by mosburger »

w1ntermute wrote: post #54
fierarul wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OSS community for Hudson (actually, CloudBees) is forking Hudson against Oracle's will. RoR support is just dropped due to various constraints and the community is actually encouraged to intervene: >However, we strongly encourage our community of NetBeans Ruby users and developers to volunteer to take on development of Ruby on Rails support for the NetBeans IDE. I'm curious if people will pick up RoR support or j…

How widely is NetBeans used by the RoR community? I'm (purely) guessing not very widely at all.

I do JRuby/Rails development. Typically I'm in emacs (Aquamacs, actually), but I've used NetBeans occasionally when I wanted to use the debugger... beats the hell out of tracing w/ Rails.logger.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by lapusta »

msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

Oracle already invests in JDeveloper & Eclipse, and now the have Netbeans. It's obvious that they wouldn't make each IDE full-featured.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by mgkimsal »

gaoshan wrote: post #61
mgkimsal wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/ Eclipse also has support for Ruby, no? Sort of sad to see this happen, but I'd prefer they keep netbeans going and streamline it to be really good at a few things, rather than being 'ok' at lots of stuff. Ruby doesn't really fit with Oracle's offerings, although PHP doesn't either. Perhaps PHP support will be dropped in the future?

Ugh, I hope not. I've wedded Netbeans to my PHP development process (and projects) rather tightly so the thought of having to switch (especially to something I find inferior like Eclipse) makes me nervous.

I hope not too. It's a good solid PHP platform, and a nice alternative to Zend Studio for most scenarios.
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