Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

wiki.netbeans.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 127 posts

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#91

Post by rst »

melling wrote: post #58
msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

Oracle has a profitable business model. It works for them. They have some open source projects that they no longer care to support. In the open source model, someone else is free to carry the torch. It should only require a few people to adopt the Ruby plugin. There are already lots of Netbeans plugins so the learning curve: http://plugins.netbeans.org/PluginPortal Complaining about Oracle, or any profit driven compa…

A fair point for Rails-on-Netbeans. Not quite so much for Hudson, where Oracle wants not just to stay involved, but to stay in control --- and the amount of control they want is what's pissing off everyone else (including the primary author of the software, Kohsuke Kawaguchi).

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#92

Post by Confusion »

grandalf wrote: post #53

Is anybody actually using NetBeans for Ruby? I tried it very early in my exploration of Ruby, but quickly switched to gedit, and eventually emacs (using technomancy's emacs starter kit). Now that I use emacs, any other editor (particularly one that requires a hand on the mouse) feels like an RSI producing nightmare.

I've used it for a while, but recently switched to RubyMine (with vi bindings). Much snappier, much more complete. Well worth $150.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#93

Post by trustfundbaby »

_pius wrote: post #28

Why do people use NetBeans for Rails?

And it had RVM-like features before RVM became popular ... you could specify what version of Ruby and what server (mongrel, web brick or thin ... if you knew what you were doing) you wanted to run your app against

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#95

Post by mjuhl24 »

gaoshan wrote: post #61
mgkimsal wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/ Eclipse also has support for Ruby, no? Sort of sad to see this happen, but I'd prefer they keep netbeans going and streamline it to be really good at a few things, rather than being 'ok' at lots of stuff. Ruby doesn't really fit with Oracle's offerings, although PHP doesn't either. Perhaps PHP support will be dropped in the future?

Ugh, I hope not. I've wedded Netbeans to my PHP development process (and projects) rather tightly so the thought of having to switch (especially to something I find inferior like Eclipse) makes me nervous.

I agree that Eclipse isn't the ideal IDE for PHP (or anything that's not java), but I don't mind it too much. Maybe it's just because I've gotten used to forcing it to do what I want.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#96

Post by sjs »

rst wrote: post #91
melling wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oracle has a profitable business model. It works for them. They have some open source projects that they no longer care to support. In the open source model, someone else is free to carry the torch. It should only require a few people to adopt the Ruby plugin. There are already lots of Netbeans plugins so the learning curve: http://plugins.netbeans.org/PluginPortal Complaining about Oracle, or any profit driven compa…

A fair point for Rails-on-Netbeans. Not quite so much for Hudson, where Oracle wants not just to stay involved, but to stay in control --- and the amount of control they want is what's pissing off everyone else (including the primary author of the software, Kohsuke Kawaguchi).

So it's actually better for the Ruby/Rails plugin to be dropped by Oracle. Then the community doesn't have to fork to save it from Oracle's controlling hands.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#97

Post by vtail »

msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#98

Post by ebtalley »

vtail wrote: post #97
msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

Look at what kind of headway corporations like google have made in the mind of consumers when they go above and beyond the shareholder mantra. Oracle might make short term gains on their terms but they have started to poison a whole new generation of developers.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#99

Post by rhizome »

vtail wrote: post #97
msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders.

This is not a fact, it's merely an article of faith of the religion known as Capitalism.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#100

Post by vtail »

ebtalley wrote: post #98
vtail wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

Look at what kind of headway corporations like google have made in the mind of consumers when they go above and beyond the shareholder mantra. Oracle might make short term gains on their terms but they have started to poison a whole new generation of developers.

Oracle is not a person to make such a decision; it is its shareholders who should decide how they want to spend their money. I wouldn't want to have a tax (as an Oracle investor or a private citizen) to support OSS. I may want to contribute my money and/or code as a donation, but that will be my own choice.
Post reply on HN