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Why would anybody have the "smart idea" to put anti-government source code on a centralized source code management website? This was probably on purpose to gain some media attention...
This is the new normal :/
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> Given that a large part of a country wants secession, isn't it only democratic to vote on it? They did vote for it, and pro-independence political parties failed to win the popular vote in the last democratic election of catalonia in 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_regional_election That is, there is no majority of voters in Catalonia that want independence, according to the last election. Failing…
> That is, there is no majority of voters in Catalonia that want independence, according to the last election. Indeed, but I didn't say "a majority". This is exactly why I said "remain" would have won, Spain could have ruled it void anyway, and everyone would have been happy.
This would have sent the message that it is ok for public servants to ignore the will of half the people they are responsible for, and that they are above the law.
That's a dangerous message to send.
What was stupid was sending the police against the voters. That was completely unnecessary and gave the independence movement a lot of "legitimacy" in the international community.
They should just have arrested the organizers of the referendum on that same day and call it a day. Instead, they let them flee to brussels.
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The takedown notice was sent directly by the Spanish paramilitary, but it's supposed to have a court order attached to it, and that would be issued by an independent judiciary. So you're half-right - a bit weird, overall.
> Spanish paramilitary, Guardia Civil is really a police force like the french Gendarmerie, seen it described as paramilitary is a bit odd, tbh.
This is outrageous "Tsunami Democratic" has not coordinated any terrorist attack nor has an attack taken place in Spain... They are abusing antiterrorist laws to quash peaceful protests and GitHub is complying.
Either way, GitHub is only complying with Spanish law, and that laws existence is not GitHub's fault, but the fault of the spanish people.
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And yet, doesn't this violate the principle of self-determination? If the people of a region want to create a separate region, who is to tell them not to? Catalonia now needs the permission of the others to leave? It seems as though the Spanish constitution was written for the primacy of a centralized state, rather than federated government down to the individual. I suppose the idea that sovereignty is effectively gr…
I can count with one hand the amount of state constitutions that allow the sudden declaration of independence of a part of their territory. Self-determination is a right you reject when you step foot on Spain (and practically every other country). We might have to change that, I don't know, but the Spanish constitution is no fascist rule, or else almost all modern democratic states are, too. It is very complicated.
The title is intentionally misleading. It's not the government but the judicial authorities, in Spain we have distribution of power. From the take down notice: > In Spain, judicial authorities are responsible for the supervision and control of websites in order to prevent the dissemination of criminal content as it is specified in the article 35 of our Law 34/2002 and the article 13 of our Criminal Procedure Code.
Distribution of power, yes. Separation of power, no. As long as Spain's judiciary still sees it fit to hand out multi-year sentences to people peacefully following democratic principles, they seem very much an extension of the government and not an independent body.
The judiciary follows the laws, which are written by the senate, which is elected by the spanish people.
So those "people peacefully following democratic principles" being arrested is the will of the Spanish people. If they don't like it, they should have voted better.
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Distribution of power, yes. Separation of power, no. As long as Spain's judiciary still sees it fit to hand out multi-year sentences to people peacefully following democratic principles, they seem very much an extension of the government and not an independent body.
> As long as Spain's judiciary still sees it fit to hand out multi-year sentences to people peacefully following democratic principles, they seem very much an extension of the government and not an independent body. The judiciary follows the laws, which are written by the senate, which is elected by the spanish people. So those "people peacefully following democratic principles" being arrested is the will of the Span…
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> their plan is to continue doing so in an anonymous and unaccountable way. I mean, the politicians who tried to do this in an eponymous and accountable way got prison sentences, so...
They misused the political institutions for their benefit and pushed their agenda even when they have been warned several times of the penal consequences. There can be disagreement with the conviction time, but they are not innocents.
If this is a common sentiment in Spain on how to resolve such issues, I wouldn't call it a democracy. The UK has many problems, but it handled the Scottish referendum much better.
Governments† burn libraries. Don't create central points of vulnerability to coercion. That multiplies the effectiveness of coercive force. Create decentralized systems. Git, not GitHub. Bitcoin, not Citibank. Email, not Gmail — although we still need to free email from DNS. Never forget how the Spanish Inquisition — the origin, in the West, of these sorts of degraded "laws" against "criminal content" — treated the J…
Genocidal nightmares? I get that you are attempting to be poetic but do inform yourself about the historicity of your claims:
> The Inquisition was originally welcomed to bring order to Europe because states saw an attack on the state’s faith as an attack on the state as well.
> The Inquisition technically had jurisdiction only over those professing to be Christians.
> The courts of the Inquisition were extremely fair compared to their secular counterparts at the time.
> The Inquisition was responsible for less than 100 witch-hunt deaths, and was the first judicial body to denounce the trials in Europe.
> Though torture was commonly used in all the courts of Europe at the time, the Inquisition used torture very infrequently.
> During the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition, between 3,000-5,000 people were sentenced to death (about 1 per month).
> The Church executed no one.
https://strangenotions.com/spanish-inquisition/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revision_of_the_Inq...
Why would anybody have the "smart idea" to put anti-government source code on a centralized source code management website? This was probably on purpose to gain some media attention...
I love how normal crushing dissent is to you. This is the new normal :/