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Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by rosege » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 1:30 AM UTC

fertibm wrote: post #108

paranoidrobot wrote: post #91

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I have to say that it's interesting in the way that watching something be destroyed is interesting. Being stuck inside it is not interesting, it's horrifying and depressing. I moved into an apartment that was built with NBN Fibre to every apartment. I moved here and paid a premium for it because I wanted to get a head-start on the FTTH rollout we were promised. Instead of the promised ability to move just about anywh…

Fiber would never be available in every home, it would have always been limited to new estates and inner city areas, which funnily enough is no change over how things were before the nbn. Before the nbn, new estates were supplied with private fiber. Now they get nbn, which will be sold in the future and be private again.... all that changed was billions of dollars were stolen by the political class.

Fibre was going to be rolled out to 93% of the population - so very remote people would have been on satellie but that would have been it.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by ntSean » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 1:32 AM UTC

fertibm wrote: post #105

crispinb wrote: post #49

Well I don't know about faster than 5G, but for my rural location it's a lifesaver. I get a steady 60Mbps down, 12-15 up, which is just a tad better than my previous 0.3Mbps ADSL. It's kind of amazing and is literally what enables me to live where I do (ie. for remote work). 4g here is also far better than the shithouse fake NBN foisted on us by our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more re…

Errr... our government isn’t far right, and the disaster of the nbn was created by the left, and made worse by the right. The narrative being repeated in this and other left wing sites like reddit of “the nbn would have been good if it was all fiber” is just wrong. The nbn from its conception was a half-baked, last minute idea made up by Kevin Rudd. If any public network was needed, it should have been wireless. The…

>If any public network was needed, it should have been wireless.

I don't believe the rural NBN customers on Wireless Satellite technology would support this premise.

Even customers in suburban shopping centres struggle with their cellular connection - hence Free Wifi being so ubiquitous.

But regardless, our conservative government relies on minerals and education rather than investing in Australia's ability to compete in a digital world.

So here's hoping we can keep up with developed nations who are making use of the high-bandwidth infrastructure made available to them today.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by kalleboo » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 1:34 AM UTC

wmf wrote: post #77

mfer wrote: post #12

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5G can handle more devices being connected. All those smart things that want to phone home. It's likely 5G will let many more devices be connected and phoning home without using our personal internet connections. I wonder what it would look like for my TV to be connected and sending my viewing habits back to the manufacturer without a method for me to turn it off. 5G makes this idea much easier. Phone companies can g…

It's likely 5G will let many more devices be connected and phoning home without using our personal internet connections. There's no way this can be cheaper, especially in the US where carriers are currently charging $10-20 per device per month. I can imagine a dystopian future where device vendors think "x% of people can't figure out how to connect to their own WiFi, so let's ship a 5G radio with Verizon eSIM instead…

If you look up the pricing of M2M SIM cards, the monthly per-SIM cost is more on the order of $1/mo. Of course the bandwidth prices are straight out of 2005, but these are only meant for phoning home with a couple bytes of data now and then.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by rosege » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 1:35 AM UTC

tenryuu wrote: post #115

hug wrote: post #52

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For some people, 4G is definitely better than NBN. Not all people. I’m not saying the NBN isn’t a trash fire of an infrastructure project (it is), or that our 4G is bad (it isn’t), but at least for me I get rock solid 100/40 on HFC, which is for sure better than my NBN service in inner-North Melbourne

It's interesting, becusee I moved from FTTC getting 100/40 to HFC and still getting 100/40. Each technology has their own hardware faults though, and I've witnessed both. But as a user of the service, I'm actually surprised how decent HFC has been working. My parents of FTTN get about 50/20,which is what I expect a lot of users on these lines would only be able to access. But the sheer cost of using a NBN over 4G mak…

What about your latency? - Ive tested FTTP and got around 3ms to 8.8.8.8 but hfc its around 30+ Any idea what FTTC would be?

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by rosege » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 1:41 AM UTC

danfo wrote: post #86

4G is plenty fast enough. The next tangible leap has got to be unlimited data. Is that something 5G might help with? Recently moving back to Australia after a year living in Finland, I really miss unlimited 300Mbit/sec 4G for 25€/month (~$40 AUD). It's well and good that our mobile networks are as good as the Finns (anecdotally), speed and reliability wise (whoops, as long as you dodge Telstra outages). Sure there ar…

Optus have offered a 5g plan that I think is unlimited - its only available in a very small footprint though while they continue to roll it out.

I moved back from the Netherlands a few years ago. I'm awaiting the NBN at my place in the next few weeks hopefully. Then I will be able to get the same connection that I had in Amsterdam in 2011. This is after the government has spent $50bil+ on the NBN - go Australia!

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Post by jsjohnst » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 1:45 AM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #76

linkregister wrote: post #68

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Network latency is limited by the speed of light.

Yes but the speed of light is very fast . Light can travel nearly 200 miles in one millisecond.

Correct, light travels at 186 miles per millisecond, but virtually nothing we have can actually transfer a single packet anywhere near light speed. Take two high end expensive network cards with fiber SFP+ connectors and connect them with just 1 meter of cable, and I very highly doubt you’ll get a ping time of under 0.1ms. And that’s just 1 meter! If speed of light was the limiting factor, that should be down in the nanosecond region.

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Post by uikoeixueo » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 1:53 AM UTC

stephen_g wrote: post #114

keyle wrote: post #82

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In my experience, you never get that outside of the town centre. 10mbps cap in the suburb on 4G. Anyway, this doesn't really highlight how good our 4G is, it highlights how poor our interconnected fibre network is. It's a bloody multi-generational disaster, a train wreck salvaged. And the price of it all lands on the consumers. For example, I'm on cable, and life is good. When I get migrated (by force) to fibre, I wi…

You won't go onto FTTP, they will use the Telstra HFC cable and you just get a different modem. Most of the drop-out problems I think are fixed. The less bandwidth and paying more are only due to stupid pricing models from the infrastructure provider (NBN), for anybody who isn't familiar with the system. There's no technical reason for it in 60% of the country. They could upgrade anybody in the FTTP footprint to giga…

I'm in an apartment tower which is vendor locked to Internode (IINet/TPG aren't even available).

I'm fortunate that the connection is 100/40/unlimited for $60 AUD, but it still annoys me that I have _no_ options to obtain a static IP whatsoever.

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Post by sjwright » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 2:20 AM UTC

stephen_g wrote: post #114

keyle wrote: post #82

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In my experience, you never get that outside of the town centre. 10mbps cap in the suburb on 4G. Anyway, this doesn't really highlight how good our 4G is, it highlights how poor our interconnected fibre network is. It's a bloody multi-generational disaster, a train wreck salvaged. And the price of it all lands on the consumers. For example, I'm on cable, and life is good. When I get migrated (by force) to fibre, I wi…

You won't go onto FTTP, they will use the Telstra HFC cable and you just get a different modem. Most of the drop-out problems I think are fixed. The less bandwidth and paying more are only due to stupid pricing models from the infrastructure provider (NBN), for anybody who isn't familiar with the system. There's no technical reason for it in 60% of the country. They could upgrade anybody in the FTTP footprint to giga…

After 5 years of rock solid Telstra HFC, I'm now on NBN HFC (same wire) and it has been unreliable as fu__. Right this very moment I'm currently getting ongoing 40% packet loss to the first hop, probably because it's raining.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by danfo » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 2:26 AM UTC

rosege wrote: post #125

danfo wrote: post #86

4G is plenty fast enough. The next tangible leap has got to be unlimited data. Is that something 5G might help with? Recently moving back to Australia after a year living in Finland, I really miss unlimited 300Mbit/sec 4G for 25€/month (~$40 AUD). It's well and good that our mobile networks are as good as the Finns (anecdotally), speed and reliability wise (whoops, as long as you dodge Telstra outages). Sure there ar…

Optus have offered a 5g plan that I think is unlimited - its only available in a very small footprint though while they continue to roll it out. I moved back from the Netherlands a few years ago. I'm awaiting the NBN at my place in the next few weeks hopefully. Then I will be able to get the same connection that I had in Amsterdam in 2011. This is after the government has spent $50bil+ on the NBN - go Australia!

Oh, it's happening! That's fantastic.

Good luck with the NBN lottery! In inner-city Brisbane I'm lucky to have NBN and non-NBN fibre options. But I would cancel fixed fibre in a heartbeat for unlimited 5G if it meant only taking a bandwidth hit.

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Post by bscphil » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 2:37 AM UTC

jankiehodgpodge wrote: post #78

bscphil wrote: post #42

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I'm not sure I understand the idea. How is my laptop or desktop going to get internet access this way? Am I going to have to buy a PCI card or USB antenna for each computer? Right now I get 100 Mbps down with no data cap via a cable provider. Trading for a system with antennas on every device , lower speeds, and probably metered sounds like one hell of a downgrade.

4G router, works exactly the same as what you have now.

Well, right, that's what I would have assumed. But parent said the reason consumers like the idea of wireless is that you don't need a modem or router, that's what I found confusing about it.