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Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by wmf »

djsumdog wrote: post #45

I wish they wouldn't just use '4G' and '5G' as if they were one concrete thing. List the actual individual protocols. Sprint use to offer 4G in the United States that was Wi-Max based, but now almost all 4G is LTE. In Australia there was a Wi-Max provider (Vivi Wireless) but on a different frequency than the US and only via hot-spots (no phone support, that I know of). Is 4G for all these reports LTE? What exactly is…

AFAIK NR is the only 5G protocol.

Exposing protocol details to consumers when those details do not correlate with performance is likely to just cause confusion.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by freehunter »

mehrdadn wrote: post #60

Related question: what exactly is the LT in LTE supposed to mean? What's considered "long-term" here? Been confused to see 5G coming out already when 4G was supposed to be long-term.

It's not "long term" in "this technology will exist for a long time" but rather "it will take a long time to get this technology fully rolled out".

Carriers started releasing what they called "4G" networks, but those networks did not meet the standards required to call it 4G. So they came up with LTE because it's a long-term evolution of 3G service, evolving until it meets the standards for 4G.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by microcolonel »

armagon wrote: post #55

People are actually demanding 5G? (Or is that hype, trying to make people think that other people are demanding it?) I can only think of one conversation I've had in which 5G was even mentioned, but boy, I know people here in rural Canada would like affordable data plans, and I don't see that 5G is going to help at all.

Urban Canada needs affordable data too. We have the most expensive telco in the world, across the board.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by tedunangst »

superkuh wrote: post #64
beering wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain why 1ms ping is not possible because of physics? Otherwise this comment comes off as rather rude and unhelpful.

I bet he doesn't understand that 5G in the millimeter wave bands will have an effective coverage radius of about that of a street light. At those tiny distances 1ms is possible. But not implemented. ALL current "5G" networks are 5G non-standalone in which 4G does all registiration with the basestation and most of the work. 5G is just a bit of extra data channel on top.

Speed of light is about 300km per ms, which is a bit larger than a typical street light covers. I think we're going to need a few more divisors to get 300km down to 30m.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by crispinb »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #63
crispinb wrote: post #49

Well I don't know about faster than 5G, but for my rural location it's a lifesaver. I get a steady 60Mbps down, 12-15 up, which is just a tad better than my previous 0.3Mbps ADSL. It's kind of amazing and is literally what enables me to live where I do (ie. for remote work). 4g here is also far better than the shithouse fake NBN foisted on us by our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more re…

Are you affected by weather? Do you use a directional antenna?

I don't need an antenna - I get a good enough signal with my modem stashed in the rafters. I'm about 12km from a 4g tower, but it's up on a decent hill which is nearly line of sight.

I did have to go through a few modems to find one that worked reliably. Oddly enough, an old Huawei B315s has turned out to be by far the best for my situation. I've tried fancier models that multiplex radio bands, but they were slower and less reliable.

Weather seems to have little to no effect. What does sometimes cause a problem is tourist influxes to the nearest town. The occasional big weekend event can bring speeds down to 12Mbps or so. Still, I'm not complaining and consider ubiquitous internet availability a kind of modern miracle.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by freehunter »

linkregister wrote: post #68
beering wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain why 1ms ping is not possible because of physics? Otherwise this comment comes off as rather rude and unhelpful.

Network latency is limited by the speed of light.

Yes but the speed of light is very fast. Light can travel nearly 200 miles in one millisecond.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by wmf »

mfer wrote: post #12
gzu wrote: post #8

LTE seems plenty fast enough for typical phone usage. Not sure how much 5G will improve mobile experience in the near future without massive advances in VR. Is all this telecom positioning to setup a replacement for landline internet service?

5G can handle more devices being connected. All those smart things that want to phone home. It's likely 5G will let many more devices be connected and phoning home without using our personal internet connections. I wonder what it would look like for my TV to be connected and sending my viewing habits back to the manufacturer without a method for me to turn it off. 5G makes this idea much easier. Phone companies can g…

It's likely 5G will let many more devices be connected and phoning home without using our personal internet connections.

There's no way this can be cheaper, especially in the US where carriers are currently charging $10-20 per device per month. I can imagine a dystopian future where device vendors think "x% of people can't figure out how to connect to their own WiFi, so let's ship a 5G radio with Verizon eSIM instead and make up the extra cost with more privacy-invading ads" but I'm going to ragequit the Internet if that happens.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by jankiehodgpodge »

bscphil wrote: post #42
nwah1 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Many consumers will like it because there's no need for a modem or router. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile/Sprint are all working on vertically integrating to provide phone service, 5G, and streaming content options. Comcast is now in the cell phone business, and owns NBC and Universal. T-Mobile (soon to be merged with Sprint) bought Layer3 and is now in the TV business. AT&T owns Warner Brothers and HBO. V…

I'm not sure I understand the idea. How is my laptop or desktop going to get internet access this way? Am I going to have to buy a PCI card or USB antenna for each computer? Right now I get 100 Mbps down with no data cap via a cable provider. Trading for a system with antennas on every device , lower speeds, and probably metered sounds like one hell of a downgrade.

4G router, works exactly the same as what you have now.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by linkregister »

freehunter wrote: post #76
linkregister wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Network latency is limited by the speed of light.

Yes but the speed of light is very fast . Light can travel nearly 200 miles in one millisecond.

Please explain how 5G would overcome the obstacles to 1ms ping better than 4G. Higher bandwidth does not reduce latency for minuscule packets with low contention.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by mehrdadn »

freehunter wrote: post #72
mehrdadn wrote: post #60

Related question: what exactly is the LT in LTE supposed to mean? What's considered "long-term" here? Been confused to see 5G coming out already when 4G was supposed to be long-term.

It's not "long term" in "this technology will exist for a long time" but rather "it will take a long time to get this technology fully rolled out". Carriers started releasing what they called "4G" networks, but those networks did not meet the standards required to call it 4G. So they came up with LTE because it's a long-term evolution of 3G service, evolving until it meets the standards for 4G.

Wow, you just blew my mind, thanks. So what is "true" 4G here? Is it LTE-A? Or does it not even exist? All this time I used to think the "fake" 4G (3.9G?) was HSPA and the "real" one was LTE and that LTE-A went beyond that, but now I'm not sure what's what anymore!
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