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Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by smashingfiasco »

m12k wrote: post #78

Desperation is on the rise. That map of suicides by state looks like a map of "flyover states" that are probably disproportionately hit by the downturn in manual labor jobs.

This. Trade deals like NAFTA totally destabilized (if not disintegrated) industrialized regions of the US. This may not be the only cause of suicide, but it’s part of the story for sure. The coasts don’t care, they seem to celebrate it. What I think those people are missing is that this disease can continue onward and spread throughout.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by adamnemecek »

Mirioron wrote: post #97
adamnemecek wrote: post #43

The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain tenets that might have been justified in the past but are increasingly less valid but certain forces are clinging to them because these tenets are all they have. It's not just the US, the world feels like such a blur. Very important and fucked up things are happ…

I think a lot of it has to do with law and education. People in a bad situation hundreds or thousands of years ago were probably far more inclined to use violence to improve their lives. Banditry and similar were far more common. Combine this idea with less awareness of abstract ideas and dealing mostly with concrete things probably meant that people were less worried about larger concepts such as their life as a who…

Here's the thing, I feel like humanity is having a hard time scaling the global society. I know that this is a ridiculous statement but the political (and analogously server) infrastructure needed to handle xyz citizens/users can be completely different for 100 users and for 1000000 users.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by esdkl22 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #42
DannyB2 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically one kid (eg, the "bully") says to another kid (eg, the "victim") that the victim's mere existence is deeply offensive to the bully. Hope that helps.

Still missing context. Are schoolyard bullies actually doing this to other kids? Or are you talking about something else? Can you speak plainly and not use analogies?

He's talking about underprivileged people expressing frustration and anger towards the privileged.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by DoreenMichele »

some_account wrote: post #112
DoreenMichele wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have attempted suicide. I am frequently suicidal. I don't hesitate to comment on it in forums. I sometimes blog about it. Most people genuinely aren't interested in understanding it. If they understood, they might feel compelled to treat other people better and that isn't on their agenda in most cases, basically.

I understand it. It's not like the world is a super happy place and everybody is like 'why would you want to leave this place - it's amazing!'. Everybody has their own experiences. Their life is unique. Telling other people that they should stick around can even be selfish, depending on what they are going through. However. Living life is a skill, and I believe can you get quite satisfactory skill levels by making ha…

No, you clearly don't really understand it. If you did, you should know that telling a suicidal person "chin up, it's fixable!" is the worst thing you can do. Another big sin is offering me encouragement unsolicited as if I need it when I am not even saying that I am currently suicidal.

Last, I have a genetic disorder. There is no cure for that. Your assumption that anything is fixable if you just try hard enough is monstrously wrong.

The hell of it is, I am getting myself well anyway, for which the entire world would like me to know I am insane, an egomaniac, a teller of tall tales, etc and generally heap abuse on me.

But don't let the facts confuse you. Just carry on with doing things that could push someone over the edge if you did this to them while they were actively feeling suicidal.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by ams6110 »

adamnemecek wrote: post #43

The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain tenets that might have been justified in the past but are increasingly less valid but certain forces are clinging to them because these tenets are all they have. It's not just the US, the world feels like such a blur. Very important and fucked up things are happ…

> the world feels like such a blur

Get off of social media and twitter.

Stop watching/reading the news every day. If you want to keep up with current events, read a politically neutral monthly periodical.

I grew up in the 70's and 80's. Every generation looks back on its youth as "the good old days" but things really were much less stressful then and the main difference I see is that you were not connected to a firehose of real-time updates on everything.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by djschnei »

Young (white) men are completely lost in the US right now. The most exciting thing in the majority of my friends lives right now (23-26 years old) are the current challenges in Fortnite. Everyone is scared of longterm, meaningful relationships and Tinder provides the instant artificial validation to make those long-term relationships seem unnecessary. You're a tryhard if you have serious career aspirations or goals. We go to work during the week to get fucked up on the weekends. The common political/social narrative is that you're "the problem". If you're college educated, you're most likely drowning in debt. Most guys I know actively express feeling stuck in a rut or display behavior that strongly suggests it. This report doesn't surprise me at all.

Love him or hate him, agree with him or disagree with him, this is why Jordan Peterson rose to fame so quickly. Guys my age in this country are almost completely aimless and without meaningful purpose. This report doesn't surprise me at all...

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Post by kuraudo »

stnmtn wrote: post #56
DannyB2 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically one kid (eg, the "bully") says to another kid (eg, the "victim") that the victim's mere existence is deeply offensive to the bully. Hope that helps.

So, in this analogy, white people are the victims, and minorities are the bullies? I guess if you strip all historical context out of the racial issues, ignore current inequalities, and just focus on what people on Tumblr are saying, I guess you could come to that conclusion, but you have to intentionally avoid a lot of stuff to reach that

I don't think it's possible to deny it at this point; you'd have to be blind not to see the hatred directed towards white people. This behavior is both encouraged and protected by the culture & institutions running the western world at the moment. The opposite is cracked down upon swiftly.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by adamnemecek »

ams6110 wrote: post #125
adamnemecek wrote: post #43

The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain tenets that might have been justified in the past but are increasingly less valid but certain forces are clinging to them because these tenets are all they have. It's not just the US, the world feels like such a blur. Very important and fucked up things are happ…

> the world feels like such a blur Get off of social media and twitter. Stop watching/reading the news every day. If you want to keep up with current events, read a politically neutral monthly periodical. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. Every generation looks back on its youth as "the good old days" but things really were much less stressful then and the main difference I see is that you were not connected to a fireh…

I'm not on social media. It's more like, idk, what you deal with living in modern society. And it doesn't matter if you are connected or not if everyone else around you is. If there's a Twitter organized revolution happening around you, ignoring it might be harmful.

At no point was I reminiscing about good old days, and my argument is actually very orthogonal to that statement.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by dragontamer »

DannyB2 wrote: post #33
49531 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I am missing context.

Basically one kid (eg, the "bully") says to another kid (eg, the "victim") that the victim's mere existence is deeply offensive to the bully. Hope that helps.

Both sides complain about this. Its hard to say what the original poster is really saying.

I've got a liberal gay friend who was ostracized by his family after a failure to complete gay-conversion therapy for example. He managed to live fine once he ran away from home, got married in Canada to his now husband, and seems to be happily married for the past few years.

On the other hand, there are right-wing friends who also claim that they're being bullied online. I don't think I've heard of any horror stories that compare to the trauma of gay conversion therapy however. Still, there's a level of trolling that can be psychologically damaging, so I can understand that issue.

To be clear: I'm against bullying of any kind. But often times, its important to know the viewpoint of the complainer. I'm not sure if there's anything we can do about casual internet trolling, not without breaking the 1st Amendment anyway. But there's definitely something we can do about gay conversion therapy for example.

I would personally be for increasing penalties on "obvious" internet troll moves: Swatting, online harassment, revenge porn, etc. etc. There's relatively little legal recourse against these acts of trolling right now. And sure, its technically chipping away at 1st Amendment / free speech issues, but I do think that cleaning up the internet a bit and reducing bullying online will probably help someone.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by [deleted] »

ams6110 wrote: post #114
toomuchtodo wrote: post #81

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Agreed. Divorce is one of the most financially devastating events that can happen in one’s life. The longer I’m alive, the longer I recommend to people to never get married. Live together, but keep your finances separate (does not apply in community property states; watch out!).

Prenuptial agreements are a thing. Though there's probably some sound thinking behind the point of view that if you aren't willing to get married without a prenup, then you really shouldn't be getting married.

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