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Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by ikeyany »

test6554 wrote: post #25

Without encouraging or condoning this type of behavior, I really wish people had a chance to conduct an exit interview from life. Only after the decision was solidified and all other methods of outreach had failed. The data would be remarkable and might save many lives. World: We're sorry to see you go. Please let us know why you are leaving, and what we could to do make this a better place to live in the future. Tha…

We already know what causes anxiety, depression, and lack of purpose. But reducing those would mean reducing the motivations for what keeps much of the economy functioning.

Society depends on the premise that suicide can not and should not be understood.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by some_account »

babkayaga wrote: post #62
stnmtn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try reading Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher, from what you just said it sounds like you might really like it. He covers a lot of the themes you're talking about in a really approachable way As for what other conception of states can exist, socialism is pretty cool I think

Socialism might seem pretty cool for someone willing to ignore the last 100 years of humanity's experience with it.

Socialism together with some capitalism is really the way to go. Having one of them totally uncontrolled to an extreme level is what leads to problems.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by castlecrasher2 »

I'm not finding any breakdown of suicide rates by age, which would be useful especially comparing to the previous period they measure.

In fact, I'm unable to find which exact baseline period and the "rising" period they refer to. The article only states "from 1999 through 2016" but one of their data sources only started collecting data in 2003, in a limited number of states (16 in 2010, 18 in 2014): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Violent_Death_Reporti... . Others like the NIS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_Cost_and_Utilizatio...) started collecting earlier, 1988 in this case, and it's unclear how they aggregated this data together.

I'm aware that best-case approaches to disparate data such as this is often as good as it gets but I'm uncomfortable with how it's being described without being able to see the methodology the analysts used.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by anamoulous »

sp332 wrote: post #72
anamoulous wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems weird to start a post with a disclaimer that it's not political and then make a clearly political point... Maybe people just REALLY hate working... https://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/us-unemployment-r...

Or maybe unemployed people have such a bad time in central states that they leave, commit suicide, or just die off.

I'm not really making a point. Making comparisons like this or the OPs flagrant political comparison is silly at best and completely dishonest at worst.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by tlrobinson »

DannyB2 wrote: post #10

THIS IS NOT a politically motivated post. Compare the map in TFA with this map, which I trivially Googled: http://news.gallup.com/poll/203117/gop-maintains-edge-state-... It's not a perfect correlation, but to my untrained eye, looking at both maps, it seems to me that red (eg, Republican) states appear to correlate closely with higher suicide states. But please judge and compare the maps for yourself and form your o…

More interesting might be shifts in party affiliations, also listed in that link.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by sp332 »

megaman22 wrote: post #49
toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clustered in the central US states, primarily due to relationship issues.

It's not really surprising that middle-aged men who have been raked over the coals in a divorce and left with a hole they'll never get out of, would opt for an end to the pain.

The suicidal feelings are generally temporary. Only 10-15% of people who unsuccessfully attempt suicide try again successfully. The linked study shows a high percentage of causes that are temporary like relationship trouble or crises within a one-month window.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by Mirioron »

adamnemecek wrote: post #43

The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain tenets that might have been justified in the past but are increasingly less valid but certain forces are clinging to them because these tenets are all they have. It's not just the US, the world feels like such a blur. Very important and fucked up things are happ…

I think a lot of it has to do with law and education. People in a bad situation hundreds or thousands of years ago were probably far more inclined to use violence to improve their lives. Banditry and similar were far more common. Combine this idea with less awareness of abstract ideas and dealing mostly with concrete things probably meant that people were less worried about larger concepts such as their life as a whole and were more worried about tomorrow or today. You're probably less likely to fall into negative thought patterns that way.

The other thing is that people back then weren't wealthy enough to not be constantly working. Becoming depressed and lethargic would probably mean starving in winter. So the people that did become this way probably died off for hundreds of years.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by drdeca »

DuskStar wrote: post #51
drdeca wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless there is an /increase/ in how much people are being told something analogous/similar to that, I'm not sure how that would explain an /increase/ in the rate. Is there a reason you would expect the harm from things of that sort to have increased as of late?

I don't think it would be controversial to say that the amount of people saying that to/about white males has gone up recently.

Ah, I probably misinterpreted the group they were talking about.

Most of the time I hear people claim that someone else objects to someone's "existence", the person is claiming that people are objecting to the "existence" of homosexual or bisexual or transgender persons. So, with there seeming to be a correlation with red states, I thought maybe the comment was saying "That is because there are a bunch of hateful ___phobes in the red states grrr!"

However, I probably should have picked up on the part of the comment that talked about the unchangable property being treated as "violence", and realized that that likely implied that the group imagined to be saying the quote was likely, uh, the group that tends to define "violence" in weird ways to include things that they believe are bad in general.

I suppose my first interpretation of the comment also didn't fit particularly well with the increase in the rate being primarily among persons who are (considered) white.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by watwut »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clustered in the central US states, primarily due to relationship issues.

And relationship success is strongly correlated to economic factors. Bad economic conditions always lead to rises in divorce and crime.

I wonder who downvoted this. It is statistically true and anecdotally, it is easier to keep relationship cool when you are not in constant stress from lack of money or hungry or simply can leave job if they treat you badly in this one.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by anamoulous »

rossdavidh wrote: post #70
DannyB2 wrote: post #10

THIS IS NOT a politically motivated post. Compare the map in TFA with this map, which I trivially Googled: http://news.gallup.com/poll/203117/gop-maintains-edge-state-... It's not a perfect correlation, but to my untrained eye, looking at both maps, it seems to me that red (eg, Republican) states appear to correlate closely with higher suicide states. But please judge and compare the maps for yourself and form your o…

It is pretty well known that one of the demographics to see recent increases in suicide is white males, especially those experiencing economic stress. Since that demographic went pretty heavily for the Republic part in the last several elections, I think it's a pretty obvious possible explanation for the correlation you see.

Nah according to DannyB2, if you are _conservative_ you are more likely to kill yourself. He knows because he saw it on a map.
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