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American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

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Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#121
Call me callous but I always thought one of the most important lessons a child should learn is "its not all about you."

I am so amazed when I see parents nowadays devoting their entire life to making sure their children are spared of any tiny little inconvenience. These children will be very poorly adjusted and these parents are rarely happy.

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

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post #116

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What is wrong with calling him the way he reflects to be? and honestly, I've seen worse name calling here, if you can call it like that anyway.

Why is "Be civil" a rule here? Because if it weren't, incivility would dominate and destroy the community. This doesn't stop applying just because someone else did worse. On HN, please post civilly and substantively or not at all.

I understand your point, I just don't think I wasn't being civil.

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#123
I always thought "Baby On Board" caution signs were placed on cars and minivans as a courtesy to other drivers.

These signs let other motorists know that the sign-toting car will swerve wildly, stop unexpectedly and misbehave drastically because a self-centered, totally implacable baby is present inside, jealously and continuously demanding the driver's attention by screaming, vomiting and pretending to fatally gag on nothing in particular.

Now I know I was wrong.

Thanks HN!

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#124

"Ayelet Waldman, where the author explained that she loved her husband more than her four children." Recently did some pre-marital counseling where they recommend that you put your spouse above your children. Seemed really strange to me and counter-intuitive. I don't know much about marriage at all, but if you think about it, the trickle-down effect does seem to make sense as setting an example is a good lesson for k…

Putting your spouse before your children is not only essential to a healthy and happy marriage, it is also essential to raising well adjusted children.

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#125

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It's explained in the book I mentioned. You would also need to educate yourself on personal finance by reading some other books to get a more holistic picture (The Millionaire Next Door is a good place to start). There's three things you need to understand about personal finance: 1. The first is that shit happens and most people don't plan for it (because they haven't been educated on personal finance). Most resource…

You realize the reason people move to 2 incomes is because they can't afford to live off one? You realize that a lot of people don't have savings because they live paycheck to paycheck trying to survive?

Both of your questions would be answered by reading the aforementioned books and by learning more about personal finance.

Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#126

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Meh... I don't think there is really much difference from your average fresh college grad and your average non-college educated 22 year old. I guess from an economical sense college is expensive but... I don't know... how many college grads actually use their degree?

I think the more important question is how many college grads actually benefit from their education (modified words italicized). A degree in, say, forestry should still be useful for someone working in sales because of the experience dealing with diverse opinions, processing new information, and studying a range of subjects.

This is anecdotal, and not a very controversial opinion, but many people in my family and group of friends are sociology majors. After watching them grow and knowing them pre and post degree, I can without a doubt say that education is beneficial. What you learn is unimportant. Becoming acquainted with the process of learning is the true benefit of education.

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#127

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I couldn't quite follow. Are you disagreeing with anything OP said?

Yes, I disagree with the "obvious" conclusion that college graduates are most valuable. Additionally, I think the argument put forward supposedly in support of that conclusion - i.e. that we've invested more in graduates - actually leads to the exact opposite conclusion. As others have pointed out, it's not valid economics but pure sunk-cost fallacy.

I think all he's getting at is recent college grads have the highest Net Present Value. It's not a matter of sunk cost.

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#128

I never understood the sentiment of valuing babies over all else. To me it always seemed obvious that fresh college graduates are most valuable to society, since we just finished investing a ton of money into them. Babies on the other hand are easily replaced. I get this is mainly an emotional argument, but it's still startling to me how opposite it is to the purely economic argument I made above. In fact usually peo…

Babies are full of potential. Fresh college graduates...let's be honest...are less so.

I think we need to coin some new acronyms after this thread:

FCG: fresh college grads (natch) LDE: lame-duck elderlies BMPP: babies; max-potential persons

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#129
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> the way they made kids + 2 careers work on middle class salaries is by dividing the day in half and each parent spends one half the day with the children and the other works. Who sets up their schedules like that in the middle class? Middle class jobs don't (typically) allow that one parent could work from 7-4 and another from 4-1am.

one parent does shift work and the other doesn't, i.e. medical residency / EMT or something in network operations that does a swing shift.

That situation exists, but it seems far from the majority situation for 2-income middle-class households.

Re: American parenting is killing the American marriage (2014)

#130

This is both a great article and a mediocre article. I agree with others that the marriage aspect is the weakest part. As a parent, I constantly think back to the 70s as a benchmark for open mindedness and freedom with my children. In my honest opinion, we've lost a lot of perspective and become much less tolerant. In Australia, someone called the police because children walked a short distance to the local park by t…

>> Ultimately, I lump all these social and parental problems down to Political Correctness. For the nay sayers, you can treat people with respect and not be PC. PC is a set of perverted rules that bully people into what to think. I have been told, "You can't say that, we have to be open minded here" when expressing the belief that political correctness does more to damage discourse than almost any other idea in weste…

Isn't the perverse fairness of giving equal time to clearly unequal opinions (/science/facts/etc) worse discourse than political correctness? Of course PC can and does wade into over sensitivity but it also includes the idea that you should err on the side of safety when using words that can be terribly hurtful to some people. It's not our place to decide that it's not in fact hurtful.
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