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Re: Chris Poole

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Post by nemothekid » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 4:52 AM UTC

pervycreeper wrote: post #69

>And he’s come out the other side with his soul and his spirit intact. I have trouble believing this one. Poole has stated that the controversies 4chan was involved in in September had a big negative personal impact, principally dealing with legal threats from celebrities who had their photos leaked on the site. Two other events, which he conspicuously hasn't commented on would have unquestionably left scars on his e…

>Some of the best original content creators and experienced posters migrated to 8ch, taking the mantle from 4chan as the authentic core of internet culture.

I find it very confusing that 8ch users tend to hold this "migration" as a huge event in 4chan history. As far as the archives can tell, the whole "gamergate" scandal had no affect on traffic and even more confusing is the fact that outside of /v/, no one really cares about 8ch/gamergate.

Yet I see this rhetoric time and time again, that everyone went to 8ch - when, according to 8ch's own stats, board like /vg/ do more posts per hour than the entirety of 8ch.

In hindsight, its no different 7chan before it and moot is completely right in his assessment of the situation - a small group of users got a mad, on a single board and decided to create a new website. More power to you guys, but for those us who don't browse /v/ (and 4chan is more than just /v/), we didn't notice anything.

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by LLWM » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 4:52 AM UTC

argonaut wrote: post #74

teacup50 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. The last thing a smart, creative young person with a soul needs is to be sucked into the VC empty-air universe.

I'm not criticizing Chris Poole at all, but if your value metric is doing "good in this world," I'm pretty sure Union Square Ventures has brought about more good in this world than 4chan has.

I think you have a twisted, corporate definition of "good".

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by anigbrowl » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 5:11 AM UTC

Dragonai wrote: post #10

I think it's pretty safe to say that no one's really been through an experience remotely similar to Chris's. There's no community like 4chan, with respect to both its scale and its pervasiveness in both internet and real-life culture. Being at the heart of such a community through its high and low moments is an enormous load to bear, and Chris shouldered that responsibility for 12 years without buckling. Huge congrat…

Agreed - I don't think of him as someone who's super-expert on the internet so much as super-expert in people, having monitored such a diverse and complex community on 4chan for so long.

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by chris_wot » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 5:52 AM UTC

janny_throwaway wrote: post #13

fein wrote: post #5

Huge respect for Chris, and I'm very happy he's feeling that sense of relief. I took a shot at moderating a few smaller subreddits, and managed to find myself hating every moment spent doing it. It sure makes the majority of internet look like selfish ingrates, even though it's usually just a vocal minority. I just stay away from Reddit now for the most part; primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the…

>primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the barrier for entry is non existent. you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I was 4chan "janitor" (lesser-mod) for 18 months or so and I agree, these sorts of positions really twist your perception of the community you're moderating. When you're buried in reports -- and these are 4chan reports, which means not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc. -- it becomes all…

I was a Wikipedia admin, three times. If you have a tendency towards depression, steer clear of that site. It matters not a jot what you actually do there, you will eventually be burned.

(In case you are wondering what I did for Wikipedia, I rewrote most of their USA PATRIOT Act article over a two year period, established the Wikipedia Admin Noticeboard, created the [cutation needed] tag, in the early days kept their Wikipdia In The Press page up to date (eventually this became irrelevant), encouraged Australian Wikipedians to write up about their own country and areas, fought trolls, helped influence a number of policies, and did a remarkable amount of blocking of truly awful people whilst attempting to maintain clans encourage civil discourse on the project.)

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by xiaoma » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 6:08 AM UTC

Nadya wrote: post #78

arrrg wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean people are super-abrasive and think that’s just normal? I don’t think that’s honesty, that’s being an asshole.

Good times only exist because bad times exist to weigh them against. Good times would merely be "times" without bad times. Language is full of color - and I find it a disservice to desaturate those colors. The bright are made all the more brighter when contrasted with the dim. By muting language you make it harder to distinguish between those colors. Polite language becomes aggressive and disliked because you know wh…

It's kind of like how execs of partner companies could enjoy Steve Jobs saying well done when they hit a deadline only because he would scream, "You fucking dickless assholes!!!" at them when they were behind schedule.

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by monaway » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 6:08 AM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #121

pervycreeper wrote: post #69

>And he’s come out the other side with his soul and his spirit intact. I have trouble believing this one. Poole has stated that the controversies 4chan was involved in in September had a big negative personal impact, principally dealing with legal threats from celebrities who had their photos leaked on the site. Two other events, which he conspicuously hasn't commented on would have unquestionably left scars on his e…

> Some of the best original content creators and experienced posters migrated to 8ch, taking the mantle from 4chan as the authentic core of internet culture. I find it very confusing that 8ch users tend to hold this "migration" as a huge event in 4chan history. As far as the archives can tell, the whole "gamergate" scandal had no affect on traffic and even more confusing is the fact that outside of /v/, no one really…

>I find it very confusing that 8ch users tend to hold this "migration" as a huge event in 4chan history. As far as the archives can tell, the whole "gamergate" scandal had no affect on traffic

I'm sure HN users will understand that quantity != quality. HN's community is certainly not without its faults, but I doubt that anyone would argue in 2015 that Reddit is the better site for discussing topics relevant to HN's interests just because it has more users.

8chan users tend to think that most of the people worth talking to left 4chan over the past year, and that only the dregs remain on 4chan. Whenever I've visited 4chan since then, it feels like a completely different site from what I remember not even a year ago. Like the mildly edgy bastard child of the latest generation of reddit and tumblr kiddos, full of awkward fucks desperately trying to fit in by spamming shit they read about "4chan history" on Know Your Meme.

>In hindsight, its no different 7chan before it

I was there for 7chan. The difference is that 7chan was about people being elitist for the sake of being elitist, rather than leaving because they thought moot and company were compromising 4chan's core values.

To this day 7chan mods will ban anyone for coming even close to admitting that they have ever visited 4chan. On 8chan, people will just laugh at you and tell you to lurk a bit more.

>a small group of users got a mad, on a single board and decided to create a new website. More power to you guys, but for those us who don't browse /v/ (and 4chan is more than just /v/), we didn't notice anything.

I didn't (and don't) even browse /v/, and I thought GamerGate was just /v/ being stupid again in its early days, but I immediately left 4chan when moot banned discussion of it from the entire site (read: banned anyone that mentioned it anywhere, in any form). I had become fed up with moot and company's meddling in the affairs of the community (see the "janny" in this comment section commenting about how it pained him to ban people for "minor infractions", or rather, things that no member of the community actually cared about or considered harmful in the slightest), and outright banning a controversial topic was the last straw. This should have set off red flags for anyone with any kind of backbone or sense of awareness left in the community.

If you really hadn't run into problems with the staff from 2012 onward, then either you mostly lurk, or you're a clueless frog happy in his boiling pot. Have fun being datamined by the Japanese equivalent of Kim Dotcom, while your janitors delete and ban anything resembling dissent.

https://i.imgur.com/dkIFWMK.png

The only reason why there hasn't been a backlash since the Hiroyuki takeover is that today's 4chan users are utterly clueless about the community's history. You can easily see that by how they have responded positively to the takeover instead of recoiling in horror at their site's death knell.

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by Tehnix » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 6:10 AM UTC

pervycreeper wrote: post #69

>And he’s come out the other side with his soul and his spirit intact. I have trouble believing this one. Poole has stated that the controversies 4chan was involved in in September had a big negative personal impact, principally dealing with legal threats from celebrities who had their photos leaked on the site. Two other events, which he conspicuously hasn't commented on would have unquestionably left scars on his e…

I think you give way too much credit to the severity of the 8ch migration. It was not felt at all on many boards that I frequent.

As another poster mentioned in the comments, it seems more as a small very vocal group that moved, and the traffic stats seem to agree. The comparison was given that one hour on /vg/ was more than the traffic on the whole of 8ch.

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by monaway » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 6:18 AM UTC

Tehnix wrote: post #127

pervycreeper wrote: post #69

>And he’s come out the other side with his soul and his spirit intact. I have trouble believing this one. Poole has stated that the controversies 4chan was involved in in September had a big negative personal impact, principally dealing with legal threats from celebrities who had their photos leaked on the site. Two other events, which he conspicuously hasn't commented on would have unquestionably left scars on his e…

I think you give way too much credit to the severity of the 8ch migration. It was not felt at all on many boards that I frequent. As another poster mentioned in the comments, it seems more as a small very vocal group that moved, and the traffic stats seem to agree. The comparison was given that one hour on /vg/ was more than the traffic on the whole of 8ch.

And almost all of /vg/ is cancer. I'll take a slower site of people somewhat worth talking to over a bunch of smug 14 year old memelords circlejerking over TF2 hats and MMO guilds.

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by raarts » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 6:33 AM UTC

wingerlang wrote: post #111

Crito wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has subreddits dedicated to the foulest stuff that you'll ever occasionally see on 4chan. That has historically included borderline illegal content, with literally illegal content mixed in. Reddit's reputation of being better than 4chan is entirely undeserved.

Why are people comparing reddit and 4chan anyway? They are two completely different sites.

I don't think comparing means what you think it means.

No use comparing things that are the same.

Re: Chris Poole

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Post by joshu » Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 6:37 AM UTC

gozo wrote: post #63

joshu wrote: post #30

Not surprising. Community creators end up hating their communities. This is one of the reasons I did not put comments in Delicious.

I think "real" communities work, were people have common interests, self-organizations, transparency etc. A lot of communities don't work because there nothing at stake. I think you could randomly ban 25% of HN and it would, excluding any eventual outrage, be largely the same.

I mean online communities?