Chris did a great job.
Unrelated though, it will be interesting to see how the new owner handles 4chan. 2ch is almost entire run but pron ads and ads for very scammy looking companies.
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Re: Chris Poole
#62Chris did a great job. Unrelated though, it will be interesting to see how the new owner handles 4chan. 2ch is almost entire run but pron ads and ads for very scammy looking companies.
Especially for people with 4chan pass, hope what happened to 2ch users won't happen to them - http://www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/huge-leak-of-2ch-user...
Re: Chris Poole
#63Not surprising. Community creators end up hating their communities. This is one of the reasons I did not put comments in Delicious.
I think "real" communities work, were people have common interests, self-organizations, transparency etc. A lot of communities don't work because there nothing at stake. I think you could randomly ban 25% of HN and it would, excluding any eventual outrage, be largely the same.
Re: Chris Poole
#64Agreed, huge respect for Chris.
Having been at the helm of a (nowhere near as big) social->turned anti social network I can relate to elements of the complexity around running 4Chan.
Excited to see what's next.
Re: Chris Poole
#65Huge respect for Chris, and I'm very happy he's feeling that sense of relief. I took a shot at moderating a few smaller subreddits, and managed to find myself hating every moment spent doing it. It sure makes the majority of internet look like selfish ingrates, even though it's usually just a vocal minority. I just stay away from Reddit now for the most part; primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the…
>primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the barrier for entry is non existent. you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I was 4chan "janitor" (lesser-mod) for 18 months or so and I agree, these sorts of positions really twist your perception of the community you're moderating. When you're buried in reports -- and these are 4chan reports, which means not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc. -- it becomes all…
When I first visited /b/ I felt like finally having found my virtual home. It is just no limits, do whatever you like, without consequences and as long as it is original and twisted enough you will find others to play along.
It is so rare to find such a place which is willing to challenge any conventional, good / bad thinking but instead is completely unafraid of offending anyone. Other than clearly illegal stuff there seemed never any intentional censorship in place. Chris seemed to have an incredible backbone to stand for that principle - until Gamergate happened.
Re: Chris Poole
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I honestly don't think the two are even comparable. Moderating a large subreddit on reddit is infinitely harder and more complex than 4chan. Some of the larger subreddits see more pageviews than the entirety of 4chan. Moving beyond that, moderators on 4chan are completely anonymous unless they choose to be known. This isn't the case with reddit. Moderators often have to have a lon…
Does Reddit pay you for moderation? I think I know the answer, but they should start to pay. It's not like they don't have throw around money? I can take some Reddit, but get tired pretty quick. One joke is funny, but 50 quips just reminds me how I loate humans. (Not loathe--just dissapointed.) Kinda like the feeling I get when I'm on Facebook longer than a few minutes? They build it, and people came. People opened t…
Ending statements with question marks doesn't make them less committal, so just end them with periods.
Re: Chris Poole
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlike reddit, 4chan is not a popularity contest. There are no likes or upvotes that dictate what you see; everyone in a thread sees the same content. Furthermore, there are no persistent identities, so you have no way of gauging the value of someone's post other than by examining its content. I think this dynamic is what made 4chan such a creative force: the only way for a post to "live" longer than one thread was t…
I don't think the lack of upvotes means there isn't still a popularity contest going on. There is still a lot of posting done just to try to get as big of a reaction as possible out of people. Some people even talk about their activity on 4chan through other side-channels, like IRC or even in-person. People brag about their exploits to other people. It may not have a number attached to it, but it's really nothing but…
I have one word for you.
Unidan.
Re: Chris Poole
#68I think it's pretty safe to say that no one's really been through an experience remotely similar to Chris's. There's no community like 4chan, with respect to both its scale and its pervasiveness in both internet and real-life culture. Being at the heart of such a community through its high and low moments is an enormous load to bear, and Chris shouldered that responsibility for 12 years without buckling. Huge congrat…
2chan and Hiroyuki?
Re: Chris Poole
#69>And he’s come out the other side with his soul and his spirit intact.
I have trouble believing this one. Poole has stated that the controversies 4chan was involved in in September had a big negative personal impact, principally dealing with legal threats from celebrities who had their photos leaked on the site. Two other events, which he conspicuously hasn't commented on would have unquestionably left scars on his ego and soul: the 8chan exoduses and 'cuckgate'. I would speculate that these had a far greater negative personal impact on the poor guy than any of the others.
Some of the best original content creators and experienced posters migrated to 8ch, taking the mantle from 4chan as the authentic core of internet culture. It's evident that at least a couple of years ago, moot took some pride in 4chan's leading place in contemporary culture, so to lose the one single point of pride associated with the site must have been a big blow. In his farewell livestream, he responded to repeated questions about 8chan by talking about just about every other 'chan'-style site on the internet, making the omission very obvious, and indicating it was something he took personally.
Second is the situation with one of his friends with whom he was very clearly in unrequited love being revealed and mocked by his own board, giving rise to the current ubiquity of the 'cuck' meme across the internet (and even spreading into mainstream American politics). I know if I had been in his place, this second event would have been quite devastating not only for destroying my hopes and illusions of love and connection with this girl (she even joined in the mockery in a way), but also for having it be that basis of my ignominious fall from beloved benevolent dictator to a hated object of mockery and derision across the entire internet.
When you take these last two events into consideration, I don't think anyone could blame him for his decision to quit. Hope he has a much better time in his future endeavors.
Re: Chris Poole
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
"not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc." (I'm assuming cp means children) "The good news is that I've recently returned to 4chan as a regular, anonymous user, and I'm really enjoying it." I've never visited the site, and really don't want to. So maybe I'm missing something, but why would you want to associate yourself with a place like that? It seems like even spending time there as an anonymous user would change y…
Unlike reddit, 4chan is not a popularity contest. There are no likes or upvotes that dictate what you see; everyone in a thread sees the same content. Furthermore, there are no persistent identities, so you have no way of gauging the value of someone's post other than by examining its content. I think this dynamic is what made 4chan such a creative force: the only way for a post to "live" longer than one thread was t…
> What I really like about 4chan nowadays is the pace.
I think the pace varies from board to board, and can appeal to people and their particular tastes at the time. Using myself as an example: today I enjoy /wg/'s backgrounds and eye-candy setups, but not /b/. A decade ago, I ignored anything not /b/.
There's nothing wrong with that, but I do think the notoriety of /b/ makes people stay away from the other boards.