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Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by inglor_cz »

sevenzero wrote: post #69
jdross wrote: post #65

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Socialist Russia was an environmental disaster. https://www.gchumanrights.org/preparedness/the-environmental...

Yes yes socialism also made mistakes so capitalism must be better!!

I lived under both systems.

Yeah, socialism was abandoned precisely because capitalism was better. By the 1980s, residents of Central Europe could quite clearly compare and saw that their western neighbours were richer, healthier and enjoyed cleaner air and water than those of the "Camp of Progress".

Market economy + democracy beats top-down enforced utopian intellectual projects like a Marxist-Leninist state by a difference of a league.

We tried that on our own people so that you don't have to.

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Post by slibhb »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #110
bcjdjsndon wrote: post #100

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> We are destroying ecosystems so fast Definitely changing, I'm not so sure about destroying. Your house displaced an ecosystem so you could live there but I bet in your ethical system that's fine right? What a surprise

As they say, "there is no ethical consumption." I've done my part by not having any kids.

Following this logic, isn't "your part" undone until you commit suicide?

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Post by RockyMcNuts »

tclancy wrote: post #81
frellus wrote: post #72

I kid you not, there was a movie with Sean Connery called "Medicine Man" (1992) with this exact same theme. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104839/?ref_=fn_t_1 In it, Connery finds what looks to be a rare natural cure to all cancer in the Rain Forest (spoiler: not a frog, but equally as weird), and is literally battling the nearby deforesting and bulldozers. For a Sean Connery movie it was bizarre (As a young teen, I s…

>For a Sean Connery movie it was bizarre Buddy, if you're trying to tell me it's weirder than Darby O'Gill and the Little People, I am going to need more than Sir Connery in a ponytail.

You're the man now, dog!

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Post by KronisLV »

theultdev wrote: post #86
adrian_b wrote: post #82

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The so-called socialist economies were just the extreme form of monopolistic capitalism. As a child, I experienced the reality of "socialism", where every word used by the ruling elites meant something very different from what it was claimed to mean. Unfortunately, already for more than a quarter of century USA and most "capitalistic" countries every year become more and more alike to the former socialist countries,…

fancy way of saying "communism has never been done properly before." yeah well that's because the execution matters and turns out when you give people power to choose who gets what, they abuse it. go figure.

Maybe it’s never been done properly cause human nature will never allow it to be, e.g. it’s an ideology that’s incompatible with humanity.

But surely there’s a more sane option than under regulated capitalism with a problematic wealth distribution and fucked up incentives that encourage short term profit at the expense of society, environment and all else?

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Post by eks391 »

hack1312 wrote: post #38
psychoslave wrote: post #34

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Hmm, mice get much impressive medical results to be linked to here and there, but overall it’s not certain the species benefit that much in happiness and fulfilment.

They told me they’re happy enough when I was delivering them cookies.

Did you have milk too? If you give a mouse a cookie, he'll ask for a glass of milk.

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by simonreiff »

gus_massa wrote: post #52

Previus discussion (from the university press release) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46306894 (498 points | 6 months ago | 140 comments) I'll rehash my comment They used mice, because they are good for early tries. The researchers had 9 bacterias and only 1 was successful. Experiments in mice are cheaper and have less ethical problems than experiments in humans. (Hey! They even injected the cancer cells in mic…

I disagree that the title "hides" that the title was small and that it disappeared for two weeks. The surviving contingent on the E. americana strain was evaluated for 60 days, and the tumor doesn't look particularly small based on the picture on page 8 of the paper. I think the study size is small (n=5) so we'd like to see more large-scale studies next, but it's already a strong result to show 5/5 (100%) at p < 0.0001 for multiple primary endpoints and the absence of success from comparable bacteria is helpful to frame future research. The absence of long-term side effects and only transient weight-loss followed by 15-day weight gain is also intriguing. I'm not a doctor, oncologist, or cancer researcher, but the methodology looks sound and appropriate to me, as does the title, based on reading the paper.

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by hahahaa »

drcongo wrote: post #32
boxed wrote: post #6

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Not really the same in this situation though.

As in 99.9% of cases of people who rush to the comments desperate to post a link to xkcd because, erm, actually I dunno. Why the hell do half the threads on HN have someone desperately posting an unrelated xkcd?

no idea as there is always a relevant xkcd to be had instead.
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