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Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by inkcapmushroom »

sevenzero wrote: post #61
ajkjk wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people are very fond of it here -> there's no point arguing against it here? Backwards logic. If they're fond of it then they're the people to be arguing against, no?

Resource exploitation and destruction of ecosystems are direct results of capitalism and greed and neglect. I stopped bringing up arguments against capitalism on here generally due to the sheer amount of people in privileged circumstances that wouldn't change a thing about their ways. Also doesn't help that people in tech often times have no sense of empathy whatsoever, so its no use to argue about this on here.

Those things have also happened under other forms of economic structure, such as feudalism and communism. In fact there's no point in human history when we weren't manipulating the environment for our gain, destroying some species and promoting others in the process, we just got better at it over time. It's sort of an inevitability given we are megafauna who take a lot of resources per human to live, and there are an awful lot of us.

Rather than blaming "capitalism" as a whole, I would more put the blame on our ability to ignore negative externalities when pricing things in. That occurs just as much in any other economic system.

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by frellus »

I kid you not, there was a movie with Sean Connery called "Medicine Man" (1992) with this exact same theme.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104839/?ref_=fn_t_1

In it, Connery finds what looks to be a rare natural cure to all cancer in the Rain Forest (spoiler: not a frog, but equally as weird), and is literally battling the nearby deforesting and bulldozers. For a Sean Connery movie it was bizarre (As a young teen, I saw it in the theaters.. quite a bit less action than a 007 movie but good drama and dramatic Sean Connery acting).

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by bell-cot »

andrewstuart wrote: post #67

Mice are so goddam healthy. They get all the good medical breakthroughs.

From what I've heard of murine health and life expectancy stats, all those "good medical breakthroughs" aren't actually doing them much good.

Vs. there's a whole lotta of money to be made in mouse medicine.

Symbolic, perhaps?

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by notact »

sevenzero wrote: post #47
romx-cell wrote: post #42

We are destroying ecosystems so fast that there will be no frogs and we will regret it. The same with all the nature

We get what we deserve. We let the top 1% destroy our planet and also let them live the longest in their bunkers, while we deal with the repercussions of not having done enough. But I've noticed that folks on HN are very very fond of capitalism, so it's no point arguing against it on here and on the effects of wealth accumulation and greed.

Can you help me understand how alternatives to capitalism, such as central planning, would necessarily be better at preserving the planet?

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Post by beepbooptheory »

Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #54
romx-cell wrote: post #42

We are destroying ecosystems so fast that there will be no frogs and we will regret it. The same with all the nature

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Certainly lots could be said here, but first and foremost its more than a little weird to be so fixated on that Greta girl like this.. You should really, like, work on making your point without bringing her up maybe? Maybe try writing two sentences not talking about her and go from there? I am not sure you appreciate how much it takes away from you point... Like, oh no, are you going to say something bad about Al Gore next? I will be devestated...

While we are at it: whats with the antiquated parlance? Are we playing DnD right now?

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by someonebaggy »

notact wrote: post #75
sevenzero wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We get what we deserve. We let the top 1% destroy our planet and also let them live the longest in their bunkers, while we deal with the repercussions of not having done enough. But I've noticed that folks on HN are very very fond of capitalism, so it's no point arguing against it on here and on the effects of wealth accumulation and greed.

Can you help me understand how alternatives to capitalism, such as central planning, would necessarily be better at preserving the planet?

The alternatives to capitalism are a wide spectrum, ranging from totalitarian dictatorship (aka central planning) all the way to free markets with sensible regulations. What they all have in common is not being capitalism, i.e. not putting power solely in the hands of the wealthiest.

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by someonebaggy »

bell-cot wrote: post #70
vrganj wrote: post #50

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People here strive to be the ones hiding in the bunkers as the world burns.

Most humans would prefer hiding in a bunker to burning. And far better to be hiding, than watching and playing a fiddle from atop some convenient high wall. Or plotting how to destroy your fellow alpha arsonists next.

It would be even better if the world didn't burn.

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by someonebaggy »

jdross wrote: post #65
sevenzero wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resource exploitation and destruction of ecosystems are direct results of capitalism and greed and neglect. I stopped bringing up arguments against capitalism on here generally due to the sheer amount of people in privileged circumstances that wouldn't change a thing about their ways. Also doesn't help that people in tech often times have no sense of empathy whatsoever, so its no use to argue about this on here.

Socialist Russia was an environmental disaster. https://www.gchumanrights.org/preparedness/the-environmental...

There are many things that are not either capitalism or Russia.

Re: Frog-derived gut bacterium eradicates tumors in mice

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Post by theultdev »

sevenzero wrote: post #69
jdross wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Socialist Russia was an environmental disaster. https://www.gchumanrights.org/preparedness/the-environmental...

Yes yes socialism also made mistakes so capitalism must be better!!

so if it's socialism/communism destroying the environment it's a mistake. but if it's capitalism it's by design?

nothing other than the prosperity that capitalism generates is inherently bad for the environment. yeah if you pull people out of poverty their carbon footprint will probably increase. but the alternative is them living in poverty and starving under a communist system (like always)

the amount of goods and services capitalism has generated has saved so many lives. we have huge amounts of excess food we send across the world.

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