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Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by steveklabnik »

fwn wrote: post #106
steveklabnik wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By Bluesky. The protocol has a notion of moderation accounts, sometimes called "labelers" because they can apply labels to your account. Users generally [1] subscribe to the moderation that they want to see. They can then set those labels to make the application to "show", "warn" (collapse by default, click to expand), or "hide" based on the labels. 1: People using the bluesky app cannot unsubscribe from the bluesky…

I'm no expert in atproto but it seems to be far worse than that. Apparently, Bluesky applies country-specific labellers automatically based on your IP address. If you register a Bluesky account from Germany, your account is assigned the German moderation labeler with no option to opt out. As soon as I noticed, I created a new account using a US IP address. This fixed it. While signing up for moderation sounds very at…

That is part of my (1). This is Bluesky specific. This is also repeated in your link.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by giancarlostoro »

dotcoma wrote: post #4
pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

I'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into…

SDS, Sovereign Data Specialist ;)

MY DATA IS NOT OPERATING IN COMMERCE!

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by rsolva »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

I'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into…

I got hired by a local company exactly for my experience with running linux servers at home and in a semi-professional capacity. They had hired someone with perfect credentials from university with several masters degrees, but they had to let him go after half a year because he did not fit in to their linux environment that has been operating since the 90s. I had no formal education, but many years with tinkering, self-hosting and operating linux machines for a small number of customers, and they could not hire me fast enough. They told me that it is really hard to come by people with this mix of experiences, everything is in the clouds these days.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by jacobgold »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #107
jacobgold wrote: post #11

This is great. The entire idea of AT is that users can move their data for any reason. We want more of this. But I do think it's always worth pushing back a bit on this idea: > "The way Bluesky is funded is at odds with the idea of decentralisation because the platform relies on venture capital and operates under a shareholder model." Large decentralized infrastructure like the internet, DNS, email, and the web was l…

Internet Archive? Non profit. Let's Encrypt? Non profit. ICANN? Non profit. Linux Foundation? Non profit. VC funding is fine in some contexts, but most of the stack should be non profit driven whenever possible to prevent the eventual enshittification and attempts at capture by profit driven actors. You can always donate to the relevant non profit (code, time, fiat), but by operating the public good as a non profit,…

> Internet Archive? Non profit. Let's Encrypt? Non profit. ICANN? Non profit. Linux Foundation? Non profit.

Non-profits are great and we should have them too. If you look into how these non-profits are funded, it's largely corporate money.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by kevinak »

steveklabnik wrote: post #110
kevinak wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. When I’m talking about identity I’m speaking strictly of the keys that sign your messages and the pub key derived from it. In every other cryptographic system that is your identity. It is absolutely correct that the PDS has complete control over your keys when it comes to 99.99% of users. I challenge you to prove the opposite.

> When I’m talking about identity I’m speaking strictly of the keys that sign your messages and the pub key derived from it. Me too. > I challenge you to prove the opposite. https://web.plc.directory/spec/v0.1/did-plc

Where are your rotation and signing keys stored? Who can access them? Talking here about the majority case.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by mangodrunk »

impulser_ wrote: post #76
Angostura wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

I don't mean banned from the site Reddit, I mean banned from subreddits. Go into /r/politics and post an opinion that not far left.

Isn’t ironic that your statement got flagged for you stating that Reddit bans opposing views. Another level before outright banning is the use of downvoting and flagging comments.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by alex1138 »

pessimizer wrote: post #94
1234letshaveatw wrote: post #63

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I was also quickly banned from participating in my local sub. It is a shame that the local subs are the ones that are the most over moderated- they are effectively isolating those in the community that don't have an "acceptable" viewpoint on any given topic

> the local subs are the ones that are the most over moderated The local subs are by nature ghost towns, and the first people to get them rolling will often establish some weird culture that will never be uprooted. I disagree, though. The most over-moderated are any having to do with any product or service (especially particular websites or pieces of hardware or software), liberal-left subs, or subs related to any in…

It's also just that Reddit is the most centralized decentralized thing ever

Especially considering... look what Huffman did with Apollo and other third party extensions. The man doesn't give a fuck. How hard is it to brigade Reddit? Compared to if we had 20 different forums for (say) Austin Texas as opposed to the one with 6 mods that will ban whatever you post on ideological grounds?

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by mangodrunk »

qwerpy wrote: post #44
Angostura wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

I got banned from my local subreddit for saying “as an Asian we actually tend to like cars from this brand” in a politically charged post about a certain car brand. Didn’t seem very spicy to me. “If you support this brand you’re supporting Nazis” was allowed and upvoted, of course. On the bright side that was the impetus for me to finally stop giving my valuable attention to that site.

I have mostly come to the same conclusion. I don’t go on Reddit much these days and hacker news as well. When it comes to political discussions dissent is typically challenged with various means other than debate.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by fwn »

steveklabnik wrote: post #111
fwn wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no expert in atproto but it seems to be far worse than that. Apparently, Bluesky applies country-specific labellers automatically based on your IP address. If you register a Bluesky account from Germany, your account is assigned the German moderation labeler with no option to opt out. As soon as I noticed, I created a new account using a US IP address. This fixed it. While signing up for moderation sounds very at…

That is part of my (1). This is Bluesky specific. This is also repeated in your link.

Yes, it is specific to Bluesky. It is not dependent on the official app, though: Both the app and the website are subject to this kind of censorship.

There seem to be loopholes [1] through some third-party apps, but that does not change much about the overall problem. Defaults matter a lot.

I have a hard time understanding why the Bluesky authors came up with an idea like that in the first place. Not to mention actually creating it. The internet (or social media) probably does not benefit from even more granular censorship tools for governments all over the world.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/23/government-censorship-come...

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jacobgold wrote: post #114
toomuchtodo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet Archive? Non profit. Let's Encrypt? Non profit. ICANN? Non profit. Linux Foundation? Non profit. VC funding is fine in some contexts, but most of the stack should be non profit driven whenever possible to prevent the eventual enshittification and attempts at capture by profit driven actors. You can always donate to the relevant non profit (code, time, fiat), but by operating the public good as a non profit,…

> Internet Archive? Non profit. Let's Encrypt? Non profit. ICANN? Non profit. Linux Foundation? Non profit. Non-profits are great and we should have them too. If you look into how these non-profits are funded, it's largely corporate money.

Indeed! And that's okay. The money pays the bills, but they do not have control over the non profit. Assuming good faith and no fraud, the money, once given to the non profit, cannot be clawed back by anyone in the future (investors, shareholders, creditors, future owners, etc). They remain "on mission" regardless of what happens to the for profit that provided funding in some capacity. Funding the non profit is a one way transfer of value across a security boundary of control.
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