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Re: Our approach to age prediction

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I imagine they're building this system with the goal of extracting user demographics (age, sex, income) from chat conversations to improve advertising monetization. This seems to be a side project of their goal and a good way to calibrate the future ad system predictions.

I think they're quite explicitly saying they already can determine your demographics from your chats. Which is almost certainly true for most users.

I don't chat - I prompt. And usually zero-shot in an incognito window. I doubt it'll determine much of anything about my demographics.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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That we stop changing social norms? How do you propose that, by making a law?

That’s literally what laws do. You continue to contribute nothing to the discussion.

Conversely I'm arguing your "everyone should just" argument is meaningless for addressing social change and behavior, hence your discussion is adding nothing. Of course neither of us see our communication as meaningless so it's up to the other readers to decide the merits of our text.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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For some reason ChatGPT has suddenly started thinking i'm a teen. Every answer it starts out "Since you are a teen I will..." and prompts me to upload an ID to show my age. I'm 35.

Does OpenAI have an incentive to get age prediction "wrong" so that more people "verify" their ages by uploading an ID or scanning their face, allowing "OpenAI" to collect more demographic data just in time to enable ads?

Re: Our approach to age prediction

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they're quite explicitly saying they already can determine your demographics from your chats. Which is almost certainly true for most users.

I don't chat - I prompt. And usually zero-shot in an incognito window. I doubt it'll determine much of anything about my demographics.

I'm sure it can figure out you don't like bean soup

Re: Our approach to age prediction

#117

For some reason ChatGPT has suddenly started thinking i'm a teen. Every answer it starts out "Since you are a teen I will..." and prompts me to upload an ID to show my age. I'm 35.

"How do you do, fellow kids? Err...skibidi toilet?" That should work, it's at least three years old now I think?

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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You give too much credit to Apple in the AI age. Especially since they've already partnered with Google to power Siri with Gemini now. Apple is a has-been. Anthropic is best positioned to take up the privacy mantle, and may even be forced to, given that most of their revenue is enterprise and B2B.

I agree with you and it's really sad that Tim couldn't take Apple in the direction of user safety over profit. I hope there's some layer between Apple and Gemini but only those at the helm can be trusted to make that happen and I don't trust them to choose users over the dollar.

> I hope there's some layer between Apple and Gemini

In the press release Apple said they will be running this on their own hardware (both on-device and private cloud). They're not going to be directly routing requests to Gemini hosted by Google.

This obviously doesn't preclude some kind of data sharing arrangement, but there is at least some indirection between the two.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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post #15

I imagine they're building this system with the goal of extracting user demographics (age, sex, income) from chat conversations to improve advertising monetization. This seems to be a side project of their goal and a good way to calibrate the future ad system predictions.

Tbf, they already had all the data they could use as they liked as per their EULA, I don't think they need a cover story.
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