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Post by ceejayoz »

vkou wrote: post #97
o11c wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, I don't think it's an inability - all sorts of messages get broadcast - but an unwillingness to actually talk to people with different worldviews. The easy way to spread a pro-health message to the people who really need to comply with it is to say "letting disease spread is Nergal worship (2 Kings 17:30), and America is a Christian nation." Just spam that, nonstop, until it is as embedded in their min…

Why would they listen to nonsense that makes them uncomfortable, as opposed to their expressed preference of listening to nonsense that makes them comfortable? It doesn't matter how much you cite Matthew 19:24 to someone who already had their brain rotted by, say, prosperity gospel. They don't give a shit.

Yep. They’ll even rewrite the Bible to take out the bits they don’t like.

https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

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Post by CompoundEyes »

morkalork wrote: post #66
dralley wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MAGA Maoism https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/04/08/maga-maoi...

And this was written before the USA took a 10% stake in Intel, turning it into a Chinese style state-owned enterprise!

Now they can demand that Intel investigate internal “waste fraud and abuse” since it’s partially owned by the government. It goes from “the government should run more like a business” to the government telling businesses “run more like the government running more like a business”

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Post by Esophagus4 »

robbiewxyz wrote: post #74
throwawaymaths wrote: post #35

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Remember when the CDC started tracking gun violence as an "epidemic"? Surely someone should but the CDC doing so is clearly outside of its charter. That was one major moment that betrayed the CDC becoming a political and not a scientific organization

To add to other comments, gun violence has a massive mental health component for which preventative treatment can save many lives. Of course it warrants study! And given the well-documented copycat-killer phenomenon, modeling it similarly to an epidemic is very reasonable.

I’ve always found this to be an absurd political position:

- shooting deaths are not a gun problem, they’re a mental health problem. So we won’t fix anything by solving the gun problem.

“Ok… can we solve the mental health problem, then?”

- also no.

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Post by Esophagus4 »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #52
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #42

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The mental health of the perpetrator is also a public health concern and could fairly be considered a epidemic

This is a problem. Government departments must have delimited authority and scope. There are other government and nonprofit entities tracking gun violence. Absolutely no need for CDC to get involved except for stupid politics. It's a distraction from their core mission.

> It's a distraction from their core mission.

So if they can study gun violence while still accomplishing their core mission without distraction, surely you’d be ok with this, I presume?

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Post by Woodi »

vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

Sorry, but thats what USians choose and looks Trump was better alternative then Lady-do-nothing-California.

And you literaly insult peoples that actually lived in Warsaw Pact, check your body count numbers.

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Post by koonsolo »

voidfunc wrote: post #27
vkou wrote: post #6

It's a crying shame that given the choice, the voters picked the modern-day equivalent of Lysenkoism[1]. [1] Which due to the timing of its adoption and abandonment did avoid outright causing famines in the Soviet Union... And went on to kill tens of millions of people in China.

The inability for intelligent people to frame their policies and positions in ways very stupid simple people can understand is the biggest failing of the last 50+ years if not longer.

This has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with cults, beliefs, fears, Russian disinformation campaigns, political alignment, etc.

I've seen intelligent people fall for crazy conspiracy theories. Once all those antivaxers became pro-Russia, which basically has nothing to do with each other, it became clear were all this disinformation was coming from (talking mainly about Central Europe here, but I'm sure it applies to US too)

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Post by acdha »

krapp wrote: post #103
acdha wrote: post #68

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It’s a big mistake to thing of people as stupid: they’d be far less dangerous if they actually were. The problem isn’t lack of intelligence but the information space they inhabit and the feeling that they have somehow been mistreated. There’s an entire genre of “why are leopards eating my face?” schadenfreude posts about MAGAs asking why Trump is doing some “surprising” thing he said he was going to do for years. Bec…

With all due respect, what you're describing is still stupidity. 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds' as Emerson said. The people who voted for Trump (or against Biden) because they hadn't been paying attention over the last decade and just thought the price of eggs was too high were stupid. The people who knew exactly what Trump was about and just didn't think the leopards would eat their faces w…

Fair, I guess my point was not to underestimate your opponents: assume that they’re just as smart and motivated but are using their talents based on the Fox News cinematic universe / Christian nationalism.

I live in DC so right now a lot of my neighbors are having surreal conversations with their extended family members who are saying things which would make sense if you started with certain false pretenses like all of the police statistics being faked. One of them was telling me about how they were talking with someone who had an Ivy degree, serious job, etc. but wouldn’t believe that our downtown wasn’t a movie gangland even though his own relative was telling him they take young kids in those area all the time and never see anything more unsafe than an out of control toddler on a bike. They kept coming up with complicated “maybe you missed” theories because they couldn’t bear to question that one starting premise. If you want to call that stupid, sure, but I think we might want a different term it.

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Post by franktankbank »

kevlened wrote: post #109
CMay wrote: post #88

Is this about the upcoming reveal of the autism findings, or is the article just feeding that as the cause? I thought the understanding for base rates of autism was that people are living longer and starting their lives later. Becoming financially stable later, having children later. Having children later rather than earlier significantly increased the risk of autism. After that then the question becomes about intens…

Science Vs just explored the rise in autism [0]. Maureen Durkin, an epidemiologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, just presented a paper [1] (currently in peer review) studying 8 year olds from 2000 to 2016, categorizing and counting autism severity over time. The most severe cases were unchanged, or decreased, and the largest change was in those with no measurable functional limitations. This unpublished pa…

They should follow them into the job market and see the effects as an adult for those with "no measurable functional limitations".
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