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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Not bad, but what's up with the audience? Is there an Adobe cult or something?

There’s millions of Adobe product users out there. Almost all the design tool developers have keynote events. As an aside, I hate that people like yourself describe fans of anything they don’t personally understand as cults. It’s an antagonistic framing of a question designed to remove any good faith discussion.

I think cult is really fitting for a massive group of customers who are locked in by a monopolist. Maybe eve; worse than a cult, because there's just the one,

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

I think you're being a bit too generous with Adobe here :-). I shared this before, but it's worth resharing [1]. It covers the experience of a professional artist using Adobe tools. The gist is that once a company has a captive audience with no alternatives, investors come first. Flashy (no pun intended :-p), cool features to impress investors become more important than the everyday user experience—and this feature d…

I don’t think those ideas are mutually exclusive. I heavily dislike Adobe and think they’re a rotten company with predatory practices. I also think “AI art” can be harmful to artists and more often than not produces uninteresting flawed garbage at an unacceptable energy cost.

Still, when I first heard of Adobe Firefly, my initial reaction was “smart business move, by exclusively using images they have the rights to”. Now seeing Turntable my reaction is “interesting tool which could be truly useful to many illustrators”.

Adobe can be a bad and opportunistic company in general but still do genuinely interesting things. As much as they deserve the criticism, the way in which they’re using AI does seem to be thought out and meant to address real user needs while minimising harm to artists.¹ I see Apple’s approach with Apple Intelligence a bit in the same vein, starting with the user experience and working backwards to the technology, as it should be.²

Worth noting that I fortunately have distanced myself from Adobe for many years now, so my view may be outdated.

¹ Which I don’t believe for a second is out of the goodness of their hearts, it just makes business sense.

² However, in that case the results seem to be subpar and I don’t think I’d use it even if I could.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

Focusing on solving customer problems, not buzz words, typically is the right path.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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> What's wrong with trying out 100 different AI features across your product suite, and then seeing which ones "stick"? For users ? Almost everything is wrong with that. There are no users looking for wild churn in their user interface, no users crossing their fingers that the feature that stuck for them gets pruned because it didn't hit adoption targets overall, no users hoping for popups and nags interrupting their…

Think about the other side though -- if the tool you've learned and rely on goes out of business because they didn't innovate fast enough, it's a whole lot worse for you now that you have to learn an entirely new tool. And I haven't seen any "wild churn" at all -- like I said in another comment, a few informative popups and a magic wand icon in a toolbar? It's not exactly high on the list of disruptions. I can still…

The presence or absence of some subtle new magic wand icon that shows up in the toolbar is neither making nor breaking anyone's business. And even if it comes to be a compelling feature in my competitor's product, I've got plenty of time to update my product with something comparable. At least if I've done a good job building something useful for my customers in the first place.

Generative ML technologies may dramatically change a lot of our products over time, but there's no great hole they're filling and there's basically no moat besides capital requirements that keeps competitors from catching up with each other as features prove themselves out. They just open a few new doors that people will gradually explore.

Anxiously spamming features simply betrays a lack of confidence in one's own product as it stands, directly frustrates professional users, and soaks up tons capital that almost certainly has other places it could be going.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Came here assuming they were using AI for "rotate 90°" ready to drop a rant, but this was actually impressive.

I had a similar negative reaction to the grandiose title but in this case it was totally deserved and I am pretty blown away.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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The source (Adobe MAX) 'demoes' full range of incredible scenarios.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfct0aH2COw

Finally more AI tools for vectors!

With bitmaps you get a blob of pixels but vectors you can be edited and refined much easier.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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As someone who currently works in GenAI and analytics but paid their way through college doing design (for print media) and still keeps around old copies of Illustrator and Fireworks (running under Wine) as well as using Affinity Suite, this is STUPEFYINGLY more impressive than any LLM.

Still not enough to make me pay for Adobe Creative Suite (I just dabble these days), but the target demographic will be all over it.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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I think your last paragraph sums it up pretty nicely: users need a good UX to get to these tools. So I would love if GIMP started shipping these awesome plugins by default to pick up the pace!

The more I spend time as a software developer, the more strongly I believe that UX is 80% of what makes a tool good, and that a lot of programmers really just don’t get that.

There are also the programmers that do get that, but just don't have the ability to change it. I'm no artist, but I can tell you when something looks bad. I'm constantly playing with CSS to learn new things to make things look better. I'm now in that category of "it looks like someone tried but just didn't achieve, but better than most" level of design.

Programmers making things for other programmers will always be forgiven as long as it works. Programmers making things for the general population will not be forgiven to the same extent if at all. As soon as someone releases something that is polished, it will be used even if it doesn't work as well.

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