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European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Summary: More ice melt => More fresh water in the Atlantic => cold surface anomalies in winter => sub-polar winter storms => heatwaves in Europe in summer Mostly not predicted as models do not have fine enough grid resolution to show the movement of freshwater into the Atlantic, which happens via "narrow" channels.

More heatwaves, more AC, more ice melt.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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post #84

Earths history has had many extraordinary climate changes, we already know of events like Permian–Triassic extinction. I appreciate many people feel an obligation for humanity to minimise its effect on climate change, but the way I see it, change is constant. If we don’t cause an extinction event, earth will do it just fine without us. The best result for humanity is if we get off this rock asap and improve our techn…

What an idiotic philosophy.

> If we don’t cause an extinction event, earth will do it just fine without us.

But we are, clearly.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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post #84

Earths history has had many extraordinary climate changes, we already know of events like Permian–Triassic extinction. I appreciate many people feel an obligation for humanity to minimise its effect on climate change, but the way I see it, change is constant. If we don’t cause an extinction event, earth will do it just fine without us. The best result for humanity is if we get off this rock asap and improve our techn…

> The best result for humanity is if we get off this rock asap and improve our technology. The quicker we do this the better. If we have to ruin earth and its beautiful climate in the process, so be it.

This is completely delusional; even if we nuked our planet with our complete arsenal as "efficiently" as possible, earth would STILL be more human-habitable than Mars.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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The issue with climate change is exactly that: change. Doesn't matter if it get colder, dryer, wetter, warmer than it used too. It is a huge undertaking to change the built environment to handle conditions that were once seen as exceptional. Houses, streets and waterways are normally replaced/adjusted on the scale of multiple decades or even centuries. Significant climate change is affecting areas everywhere on a sin…

Sufficient impact to require rebuilding houses or other buildings on a single decade scale? I cannot see that sort of rapid rebuilding anywhere I know. I live in a house that is about 60 years old. I have friends who live in houses centuries old. Not come across anyone who needs to change very much to cope with climate change, apart from things to reduce emissions (mostly installing heat pumps can be difficult) The b…

  > Sufficient impact to require rebuilding houses or other buildings on a single decade scale?
Didn't Texas suffer a major snow storm a few years ago? The houses, electrical distribution network, people's clothes were unable to handle the situation and if I'm not mistaken there were deaths.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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post #54

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>The reason for that is the gulf stream Or, perhaps not: The Source of Europe's Mild Climate The notion that the Gulf Stream is responsible for keeping Europe anomalously warm turns out to be a myth https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-source-of-euro... For context this is mostly from Richard Seager from back in 2002 https://ocp.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/people/seager/ https://www.atmos.washington.edu/~d…

Both can be right. The heat budget of the NE Pacific ocean, without an equivalent to the Gulf Stream, may well explain the milder winters in Seattle, but the NE Atlantic's heat budget is still "goosed" by the Gulf Stream and mixing. The paper's argument doesn't engage that argument. It deals with atmospheric changes postulated as a consequence of freshwater anomalies caused by arctic melting.

Sure.

The main point of interest here is that for a very long time the gulf stream alone has been the accepted common wisdom for a warm Europe.

It's interesting that there's other credible factors, particularly with talk of potential gulf stream collapse.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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post #64

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Sufficient impact to require rebuilding houses or other buildings on a single decade scale? I cannot see that sort of rapid rebuilding anywhere I know. I live in a house that is about 60 years old. I have friends who live in houses centuries old. Not come across anyone who needs to change very much to cope with climate change, apart from things to reduce emissions (mostly installing heat pumps can be difficult) The b…

> Sufficient impact to require rebuilding houses or other buildings on a single decade scale? Didn't Texas suffer a major snow storm a few years ago? The houses, electrical distribution network, people's clothes were unable to handle the situation and if I'm not mistaken there were deaths.

https://www.texastribune.org/series/winter-storm-power-outag...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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post #18

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I don't think you have to worry about it breaking 40C, I don't think that temperature has ever been recorded in for example Sweden. Though, Swedes would still suffer it temperatures reach 30C as it's still above average highs.

> I don't think you have to worry about it breaking 40C, I don't think that temperature has ever been recorded in for example Sweden. No, it seems you're right. The highest temperature ever recorded was 38C in 1933. It hasn't been broken since then.

Get your fireworks ready, we might be in for a surprise soon given the weather trend.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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post #24

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It was pretty cold in Oslo and that is not very northern.

Its 6 degrees in Oslo right now - in February.

I was posting it because there was -20 during winter. But now I checked [0] and it seems that anomalies are even further north.

[0] https://pulse.climate.copernicus.eu

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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It’s not. Projections say that global gdp will shrink 18% by 2050 because of climate change [1]. [1] https://www.swissre.com/media/press-release/nr-20210422-econ...

That seems mostly to be talking about rising sea levels etc. I read GP as talking about the positive impact on GDP of rebuilding, and with the intent of pointing out that GDP is a flawed metric.

I forgot about this and had a busy week, but yes you nailed it. The other commenters are also right in pointing out the obvious flaws of GDP with or without meaning to, but you understood the spirit of the comment.
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