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European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by fl7305 »

diggan wrote: post #18
CalRobert wrote: post #5

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That depends on your definition of "nice". I'd prefer not to break 40C myself. The buildings here are absolute crap for dealing with heat too (eaves? shade? airflow? Who the hell needs that?)

I don't think you have to worry about it breaking 40C, I don't think that temperature has ever been recorded in for example Sweden. Though, Swedes would still suffer it temperatures reach 30C as it's still above average highs.

> I don't think you have to worry about it breaking 40C, I don't think that temperature has ever been recorded in for example Sweden.

No, it seems you're right. The highest temperature ever recorded was 38C in 1933. It hasn't been broken since then.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by hef19898 »

thriftwy wrote: post #38
hef19898 wrote: post #26

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So, following your logic, as a German I have no right to opposse genocide? Strange logic, to say the least. And using some climate engineering fantasy from a book as a basis for discusion, really?

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Pay someone to not kill people they hate? What makes you think this works?

By the way, there is different way to read your Russian pro-verb. Talking about Russia, how much money do you think Putin wants ij exchange for not trying to conquer Ukraine? Or Nethanyahu and his rihht wing nutjob allies to not deplace every Palistinian? You have a ballpark amount at least?

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by fl7305 »

trilbyglens wrote: post #11
CalRobert wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends on your definition of "nice". I'd prefer not to break 40C myself. The buildings here are absolute crap for dealing with heat too (eaves? shade? airflow? Who the hell needs that?)

Shutters and window shades can be added easily enough, and the high-mass of many buildings here gives decent heat inertia to keep things cooler during the day.

Also, can't you run some heat pumps in reverse and use them as air conditioners?

So there might be a natural path to taming the problem as heating systems are replaced for end of life reasons.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by [deleted] »

fl7305 wrote: post #43
trilbyglens wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shutters and window shades can be added easily enough, and the high-mass of many buildings here gives decent heat inertia to keep things cooler during the day.

Also, can't you run some heat pumps in reverse and use them as air conditioners? So there might be a natural path to taming the problem as heating systems are replaced for end of life reasons.

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Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by thriftwy »

hef19898 wrote: post #42
thriftwy wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Pay someone to not kill people they hate? What makes you think this works? By the way, there is different way to read your Russian pro-verb. Talking about Russia, how much money do you think Putin wants ij exchange for not trying to conquer Ukraine? Or Nethanyahu and his rihht wing nutjob allies to not deplace every Palistinian? You have a ballpark amount at least?

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Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by cinntaile »

datbn wrote: post #39
tda wrote: post #22

The issue with climate change is exactly that: change. Doesn't matter if it get colder, dryer, wetter, warmer than it used too. It is a huge undertaking to change the built environment to handle conditions that were once seen as exceptional. Houses, streets and waterways are normally replaced/adjusted on the scale of multiple decades or even centuries. Significant climate change is affecting areas everywhere on a sin…

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Or it turns out climate is more complicated than just warming.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by hef19898 »

thriftwy wrote: post #45
hef19898 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay someone to not kill people they hate? What makes you think this works? By the way, there is different way to read your Russian pro-verb. Talking about Russia, how much money do you think Putin wants ij exchange for not trying to conquer Ukraine? Or Nethanyahu and his rihht wing nutjob allies to not deplace every Palistinian? You have a ballpark amount at least?

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One can call out Western hypocrasy without abetting, and excusing Putins actions. Or defend them. Or spreading propaganda and other falsehoods. You can do so, too. I know it.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by rover0 »

datbn wrote: post #39
tda wrote: post #22

The issue with climate change is exactly that: change. Doesn't matter if it get colder, dryer, wetter, warmer than it used too. It is a huge undertaking to change the built environment to handle conditions that were once seen as exceptional. Houses, streets and waterways are normally replaced/adjusted on the scale of multiple decades or even centuries. Significant climate change is affecting areas everywhere on a sin…

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It still is global warming globally. But locally it's climate change, the overall warming has some local chaos.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by thriftwy »

hef19898 wrote: post #47
thriftwy wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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One can call out Western hypocrasy without abetting, and excusing Putins actions. Or defend them. Or spreading propaganda and other falsehoods. You can do so, too. I know it.

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Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by BlueTemplar »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #9
ido wrote: post #6

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Here in Berlin I’d much rather the traditional 25c summers over the 35c+ summer of ’22 (fortunately ’23 summer was relatively mild and rainy). I do appreciate the mild winters tho!

There could still be a lot of improvement in both summers and winters in more north of Europe. And hopefully we could nuke something in some way that would balance out the sun so that summers wouldn't be constant light and winters completely dark. It is just depressing. It is unclear what our ancestors were thinking moving here. Probably forced.

You forgot the (/s) I hope ?

This is just about geometry...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-being-wobbly-...

So if you were ridiculously reckless and wielded enormous power, you could try to reduce Earth axial tilt so that there are no more seasons. Problem : this also makes the equator even hotter and poles even colder.

(With even more effort you could try to increase the tilt even more, I'm not certain about all the implications, but it seems to roughly swap equator and poles ??)

Without that kind of (did I mention reckless ?) power, our future instead seems to be of the opposite of what you are asking for : in a bad case scenario, we might end up the current Ice Age (that we lived in for the last 2.6 Ma, and which roughly corresponds to the oldest known tool industry that pretty much separates us from other animals), returning the Earth into its (more) normal state, which also involves the equators and maybe even the middle latitudes being uninhabitable for Humans and maybe even for mammals in general.

So we might face a bleak future where our descendants are trying to survive in weird jungles (?) of the Siberian coast and Antarctica, where, unlike the current jungles, summers are indeed "constant light and winters completely dark". I have some doubts about whether any civilizations can rise in these conditions...

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