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European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by ponector »

ido wrote: post #8
defrost wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been breaking 40 C numerous times these past two months... look for better buildings if you can. https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-01-25/making-your-h... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-15/home-design-changing-...

Buildings in northern Europe are just not built for ventilation, AC and dealing with heat. It’s not a matter of looking, that’s just not how people build here (just like people in Israel don’t build building that handle cold weather well).

I've spent few months in Andalusia and can't say their apartment buildings are better suited for heat than one I live in Poland. Yes there are more curtains and AC, but it is not related to the building, you can have them in northern apartment too.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by tda »

The issue with climate change is exactly that: change. Doesn't matter if it get colder, dryer, wetter, warmer than it used too. It is a huge undertaking to change the built environment to handle conditions that were once seen as exceptional. Houses, streets and waterways are normally replaced/adjusted on the scale of multiple decades or even centuries. Significant climate change is affecting areas everywhere on a single decade timescale. So infrastructure is now outdated much more quickly, and needs to be replaced/upgraded at a higher pace. This if hugely expensive and will lead to more waste and more emissions. And that is just for the built world on which we have a lot of influence. The natural world doesn't always have the ability to adjust; lots of habits are suffering and species are going extinct.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by hef19898 »

johnofthesea wrote: post #19
tokai wrote: post #16

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Besides the very northern parts it hasn't been cold. Spring flowers bloomed last week in Denmark.

It was pretty cold in Oslo and that is not very northern.

Weather =|= climate. Or one cold day doesn't make winter. Nor does one hot day make summer.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by tokai »

johnofthesea wrote: post #19
tokai wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides the very northern parts it hasn't been cold. Spring flowers bloomed last week in Denmark.

It was pretty cold in Oslo and that is not very northern.

Its 6 degrees in Oslo right now - in February.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by johnofthesea »

hef19898 wrote: post #14
ido wrote: post #6

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Here in Berlin I’d much rather the traditional 25c summers over the 35c+ summer of ’22 (fortunately ’23 summer was relatively mild and rainy). I do appreciate the mild winters tho!

The mild winters are problem so: - the risk of temp drops after plants started to sprout -> bad harvests - snow is a great water reservoir, having the snow as rain leads to floods, results in lower ground water levels and droughts -> bad across the board and also impacting agriculture - the permafrost in the alps is melting -> mountains litterally fall apart And we see all that already for years now. Edit: As rain go…

- overwintering pests and diseases

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by hef19898 »

thriftwy wrote: post #15
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #9

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There could still be a lot of improvement in both summers and winters in more north of Europe. And hopefully we could nuke something in some way that would balance out the sun so that summers wouldn't be constant light and winters completely dark. It is just depressing. It is unclear what our ancestors were thinking moving here. Probably forced.

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So, following your logic, as a German I have no right to opposse genocide? Strange logic, to say the least. And using some climate engineering fantasy from a book as a basis for discusion, really?

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by piva00 »

tda wrote: post #22

The issue with climate change is exactly that: change. Doesn't matter if it get colder, dryer, wetter, warmer than it used too. It is a huge undertaking to change the built environment to handle conditions that were once seen as exceptional. Houses, streets and waterways are normally replaced/adjusted on the scale of multiple decades or even centuries. Significant climate change is affecting areas everywhere on a sin…

> The natural world doesn't always have the ability to adjust; lots of habits are suffering and species are going extinct.

To me this is the much bigger issue than us humans adapting. For us to adapt it demands a lot of labour, and associated costs, it will make life harder but it's doable.

Nature doesn't have this ability, animals can't get together in an assembly and find technological fixes to support them living in their environment when it changes, they either move to another area where they are adapted to (if it exists) or they die.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by hef19898 »

johnofthesea wrote: post #25
hef19898 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mild winters are problem so: - the risk of temp drops after plants started to sprout -> bad harvests - snow is a great water reservoir, having the snow as rain leads to floods, results in lower ground water levels and droughts -> bad across the board and also impacting agriculture - the permafrost in the alps is melting -> mountains litterally fall apart And we see all that already for years now. Edit: As rain go…

- overwintering pests and diseases

Yes, Malaria north of the Alps! And then people about some hypothetical killer virus from the melting arctic.

Re: European summer weather linked to North Atlantic freshwater anomalies

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Post by InCityDreams »

hef19898 wrote: post #23
johnofthesea wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was pretty cold in Oslo and that is not very northern.

Weather =|= climate. Or one cold day doesn't make winter. Nor does one hot day make summer.

>Nor does one hot day make summer.

You're not from the UK.

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