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Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by hattmall »

reilly3000 wrote: post #57

It will be interesting to see how this shapes the lives of the students and educators. Its embrace signals some acquiescence to the reality that LLMs are here to stay and may as well be used to their full potential. I imagine students being able to cover a lot of ground on a topic with ChatGPT and interrogate it with detail, as well as learn how to fact check its contents. This stands in sharp contrast towards US sch…

I use chatgpt, begrudgingly, because it's frequently wrong and takes a lot of iterations to get something right. But, I use it, because Google sucks. I would have very little use for chatgpt with the Google of,I guess, like 10-12 years ago.

You could go back even further and ~25 years ago, I had an entire class on using search engines and all manner of advanced operators and search techniques.

With today's computing power it would be awesome to see what the search engines of past decades could have become if not for the monetary incentives to obscure information and increase engagement.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by golergka »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

You're judging a fish by its ability to climb a tree. Retrieving truthful information about the world is one of the possible ways to use of GPT models, but neither is the best working, nor the most helpful.

Instead, think of it as a computer that can perform transformations on text, described in plain language and based on text's tone and meaning.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by geoelectric »

tired-turtle wrote: post #104
schiffern wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, for one, welcome our new Norwegian overlords. btw it's called a garden-path sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence

fwiw the title is not a garden path sentence, as there’s no misleading initial parse.

“Acquired” is only really used for the purchase of businesses, at least in headlines, and especially in tech news. The awkward translation is indeed a garden path sentence when delivered to this crowd.

About the only real counterargument is that you could also interpret the translation as trading the business for 110,000 students and teachers. That would not be garden path as it would be (accidentally) misleading wording in its entirety!

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by panxyh »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #95
philip1209 wrote: post #6

This seems to align with the mindset of pragmatism in the Nordics. I can imagine somebody there saying "This is now a standard business technology. So, we will teach it to our students to prepare them."

Correct. We don't have a lot of people up here, so any individual person who gets hired to a job has to be ready to wear many hats. To my understanding this is even more true in Norway than in my adoptive home of Finland (sounds exciting, my wife and I are strongly considering moving). Technologies like GPT-4, much like Google search before it, vastly increase the number of things we can do acceptably well without ne…

Time is saved, brain cells don’t need to ;)

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by mrtksn »

sexy_seedbox wrote: post #88
mrtksn wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much Europe. Drastically different mindsets from London to Istanbul and Oslo to Barcelona. Sometimes I'm surprised how EU(though a smaller subset of Europe) even manages to agree on anything.

Sounds like the United States of America.

Is it?

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by dimask »

a321neo wrote: post #92
behnamoh wrote: post #26

Why not use a combination of open source and OpenAI models? GPT-3.5 is already beaten by Mixtral and Mistral-Medium. The first one you can host for free and the second has a darn cheap API while getting really close to GPT-4 performance.

Even the free GPT-3.5 is better at smaller European languages than Mixtral/Mistral-Medium. However I think it's a typo when the article says GPT-3.5. It doesn't make sense to "buy" GPT-3.5. They probably meant ChatGPT Plus which includes GPT-4 access (50 messages in a rolling 3 hour window).

No, they bought a gpt3.5 license, with privacy related terms that are absent to the normal free version.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by kriiuuu »

imutemyteam92 wrote: post #93
gbil wrote: post #25

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Many universities in Greece currently are closed due to student demonstrations and in many of those the teachers denied holding virtual exams due to lack of standardized exam software and ChatGPT. One could argue that instead of generic questions they could run the exams on questions/topics only taught in class which would be “a bit” difficult for ChatGPT to answer but I guess their excuses have less to do with ChatG…

Personally feel teachers will be the first to lose their jobs. 100% You just need one teacher who acts as a supervisor. And another group that sets the curriculum. No need to actually teach for the most part.

It sounds like you have no idea about what teachers actually do and how they interact with students.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by wkat4242 »

hackerlight wrote: post #31
wkat4242 wrote: post #17

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Much faster, 10x cheaper and still good enough for most things. I don't think gpt-4 is worth its 10fold price premium for all but niche usecases (coding may be one but I don't do that too much). And the much longer response delays are annoying. I think 3.5 turbo is a really nice general use model. And the price difference makes it worry free (I use it a lot and most months I used less than $1) whereas gpt-4 really te…

I recommend free access Bard (Gemini Pro, which is better than GPT-3.5) for the miscellaneous requests and GPT-4 if you need quality.

I don't trust Google enough to feed them my data though. I don't even use a google account on my Android devices :)

OpenAI and Microsoft aren't a lot better but it is somewhat better at least.

So Gemini isn't an option for me. Curiously enough, LLaMa 2 is, even though it's from meta, but the fact that you can run it at home is of course a real winner for privacy.

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