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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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The bloomberg article seems to have been taken down and is now going to 404. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-07/google...

Just an error in the link, here's the corrected version: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-07/google...

and here's a readable version: https://archive.ph/ABhZi

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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That's not the only thing wrong. Gemini makes a false statement in the video, serving as a great demonstration of how these models still outright lie so frequently, so casually, and so convincingly that you won't notice, even if you have a whole team of researchers and video editors reviewing the output. It's the single biggest problem with LLMs and Gemini isn't solving it. You simply can't rely on them when correctn…

I totally agree with you on the confident lies. And it’s really tough. Technically the duck is made out of air and plastic right? If I pushed the model further on the composition of a rubber duck, and it failed to mention its construction, then it’d be lying. However there is this disgusting part of language where a statement can be misleading, technically true, not the whole truth, missing caveats etc. Very challeng…

Calling the air inside the duck (which is not sealed inside) part of its "material" would be misleading. That's not how most people would interpret the statement and I'm confident that's not the explanation for why the statement was made.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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That's not the only thing wrong. Gemini makes a false statement in the video, serving as a great demonstration of how these models still outright lie so frequently, so casually, and so convincingly that you won't notice, even if you have a whole team of researchers and video editors reviewing the output. It's the single biggest problem with LLMs and Gemini isn't solving it. You simply can't rely on them when correctn…

Is it possible for humans to be wrong about something, without lying?

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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That's not the only thing wrong. Gemini makes a false statement in the video, serving as a great demonstration of how these models still outright lie so frequently, so casually, and so convincingly that you won't notice, even if you have a whole team of researchers and video editors reviewing the output. It's the single biggest problem with LLMs and Gemini isn't solving it. You simply can't rely on them when correctn…

This seems to be a common view among some folks. Personally, I'm impartial. Search or even asking other expert human beings are prone to provide incorrect results. I'm unsure where this expectation of 100% absolute correctness comes from. I'm sure there are use cases, but I assume it's the vast minority and most can tolerate larger than expected inaccuracies.

Let's see, so we exclude law, we exclude medical.. it's certainly not a "vast minority" and the failure cases are nothing at all like search or human experts.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold up young one. The reason for QWERTYs design has absolutely not been lost to history yet. The design was to spread out the hammers of the most frequently used letters to reduce the frequency of hammer jamming back when people actually used typewriters and not computers. The problem it attempted to improve upon, and which is was pretty effective at, is just a problem that no longer exists.

I’m curious how this works because all the common letters seem to be next to each other on the left side of the keyboard

The original intent I do believe was not separating the hammers per se, but also helping the hands alternate, so they would naturally not jam as much.

However, I use a Dvorak layout and my hands feel like they alternate better on that due to the vowels being all on one hand. The letters are also in more sensical locations, at least for English writing.

It can get annoying when G and C are next to each other, and M and W, but most of the time I type faster on Dvorak than I ever did on Qwerty. It helps that I learned during a time where I used qwerty at work and Dvorak at home, so the mental switch only takes a few seconds now.

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I have used Swype texting since the t9 days. If I demoed swype texting as it functions in my day to day life to someone used to a querty keyboard they would never adopt it The rate at which it makes wrong assumptions about the word, or I have to fix it is probably 10% to 20% of the time However because it’s so easy to fix this is not an issue and it doesn’t slow me down at all. So within the context of the different…

Its honestly pretty mind boggling that we’d even use querty on a smartphone. The entire point of the layout is to keep your fingers on the home row. Meanwhile people text with a single or two thumbs 100% of the time.

The reason we use qwerty on a smartphone is extremely straightforward: people tend to know where to look for the keys already, so it's easy to adopt to even though it's not "efficient". We know it better than we know the positions of letters in the alphabet. You can easily see the difference if you're ever presented with an onscreen keyboard that's in alphabetical order instead of qwerty (TVs do this a lot, for some reason, and it's a different physical input method but alpha order really does make you have to stop and hunt). It slows you down quite a bit.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I was fooled. The model release announcement said it could accept video and audio multi-modal input. I understood that there was a lot of editing and cutting, but I really believed I was looking at an example of video and audio input. I was completely impressed since it’s quite a leap to go from text and still images to “eyes and ears.” There’s even the segment where instruments are drown and music was generated. I t…

Do you believe everything verbatim that companies tell you in advertising?
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