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Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by screye »

alephnerd wrote: post #84
hef19898 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, the anti-semite anti-Soros propaganda has reached India now?

Kinda. A lot of Indian internet commentators tend to resort to antisemitic tropes without realizing the implications, due to a lack of awareness and a bit of cargo culting American political discourse on reddit or 4chan. There is a regional bias to all of this discourse of course and it could be an upper level social sciences course unto itself.

The anti-semitism (presumably sourced in hatred for left-media-funding) among Indian right-wing internet trolls is so weird.

Historically, India has been one of the few safe-havens for multiple waves of Jews (Bene Israel, Cochin Jews, Portuguese Jews). The populace never saw an issue with enfranchising them (famous Silent actresses [1] or top military generals [2]). Both countries (esp. the Indian institutional right wing) have strong ties to Israel and both countries seem to be hated the same same groups of religious extremists in the middle east.

Even in the US, Indian immigrants seem to be cast into the same Jewish stereotypes of emphasis on STEM education, strong secular-religious identities and being generally discriminated against by Ivy-league admissions processes.

So, I'd assume that the default stance on the Jewish-Indian relationship would be one of mutual understanding; especially among the Indian right wing. On top of that, most Indians in India have never met a Jewish person. There simply isn't enough interaction to allow for real opinions about Jewish people to form.

This makes me wonder if these internet-trolls have all been radicalized by the same fox-news/4chan ecosystem despite both having nothing to do with India at large.

Off topic: Soros openly funds organizations with strong biases. But, idk why he is seen as a representative of the Jewish people. His funding patterns seem to be in-line with what rich-liberal-anglophones fund. It's a pretty diverse mix of western religions and ethnicities. Idk why it is always the Jews among them that tick these trolls off.

[1] https://thetempest.co/2021/04/28/history/jewish-actresses-bo...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._F._R._Jacob

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by stereoradonc »

anuraj wrote: post #38
kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

Source for your assertions?

1. What were the number of bills passed in the "zero hour"

2. Which bills didn't meet the quorum and were passed off as ordinance and allowed to lapse?

3. Which bills were passed bypassing the time honoured state versus federal relations?

You make hollow assertions without backing up your claims.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by stereoradonc »

Majority of the arguments posted here are only for "Modi-ashing"; I'd be tempted to assume they have no idea about the inner workings of the parliamentary processes or how laws are made or governed.

The "discussion" has veered off from the initial Joint Parliamentary Committe reports on the incompatibility of the far reaching law on personal data protection. The bill is just withdrawn to be replaced by a different one. There's nothing special there. That's the purpose of the JPC, and I am glad the Government avoided the adversarial clash with the JPC to account for the suggestions therein.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by didibus »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #46
woweoe wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

Majority rule and minority rights are democracy. Otherwise once vote in everyone is save … might as well no democracy.

Thank you. The minority rights and individual rights are cornerstone, democracy does not mean majority act as Emperors. There has to be strong guaranteed equal rights to all individual and minorities that allows them equal opportunity and recourse.

Its foundation is that all agree what we should all have as rights were we to ever find ourselves the minority, and those become the principles we cannot break and we owe to each individual to uphold. Beyond that, majority can decide, hopefully not stupidly and still considering minority's input, as any good leader should do, consider all data points relevant to best decision making.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by iamgopal »

yalogin wrote: post #58

On the spectrum of privacy india is on the furthest end of it. No one cares about privacy and actively give their data over to everyone. For example every vendor asks for your phone number and people don’t question it at all. As great as the privacy law sounds I have a suspicion that it will just be used by police and the government to abuse authority and silence critics like they do with people tweeting anything the…

And hence people who care about privacy have two numbers.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by haltingproblem »

kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

India had universal suffrage in 1950 and has deep parliamentary traditions. India was a democracy before the US, France, UK, Spain and numerous other Western cradles of democracy.

US got universal suffrage in 1965 (Voting Rights act). France was killing a million Algerians whom it ruled and were demanding self-determination in 1954-1962 and finally became colony free in 1977. UK was running concentration camps in Kenya in the 1960s and free of its last colony in the 1980 approaching something like Universal Suffrage. Spain was a dictatorship till 1979.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by shreyshnaccount »

FYI, they withdrew it because of major issues that need to be rectified. it will be reintroduced later after the changes have been made. this is how a parliamentary democracy works, how much ever the american media tries to present India as a lawless mess. sure there's things to improve, but name one democracy where there isn't.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by hef19898 »

alephnerd wrote: post #110
screye wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is golden. It's nice to see people add context to Indian politics on HN. All too often, even the most well-read American has a naïve understanding of Indian politics. You're doing God's work giving folks glimpses into the sheer difference, complexity and nuance of Indian politics. > but the edit timer has run down on that comment such is life. > I'm curious about your reasons for having a low opinion of them? I…

Haha thanks! To be fair, as someone who is Desi American, a lot of the incomplete reporting about India that happens in the Western newspapers is due to bad pay. The NYT pays reporters $12k a year/8.4lpa in Delhi NCR, while cable news channels like NDTV, Aaj Tak, etc would pay a similar level reporter around $14-17k/10-12 lpa while giving much more political power (and the opportunity to take cash for unbalanced repo…

Ain't no saints in politics anywhere, are there?

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by HelloNurse »

portpecos wrote: post #103
HelloNurse wrote: post #12

The article seems to suggest a relatively good bill shot down by a weak or corrupt government that serves the interests of big companies with bad practices who don't want to be sued, actual data predators, etc. But without details, "Personal Data Protection" can be newspeak for government-sanctioned abuse, like laws against "Child Pornography" that are actually intended to establish interception platforms. Are there…

I question your claim of a weak or corrupt government based on the article below. It sounds like there was pushback from Startups who complained about compliance intensity, concerns about definitions of data storage when it came to adversarial countries, and a host of other concerns: History: In 2017, the Indian Supreme Court recognised the right to privacy as a fundamental right within the ambit of the Constitution.…

A complaint that the bill is "compliance intensive" could mean that the "startups" don't want to comply (so it must be a good bill), that the bill imposes expensive and unnecessary bureaucracy, or both.

Correspondingly, the government could be caving in to private interests, wisely redesigning a bad law, or both.

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