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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by sterlind »

to1y wrote: post #93
jmyeet wrote: post #66

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> So much damage has been done to public trust Anti-vaxxers aren't new. What we have here is an unhealthy mix of exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism and contrarianism. There is a psychological comfort in believing you' can see through the [Big Lie/Conspiracy]. Prior to Covid it was autism and vaccine. When was the last time you heard about that? Before Covid. Why? Because we've moved on to another vaccine to be skep…

Well the polio vaccine left people blind iirc. Unfortunately the anti-vax group isnt completely crazy this time. If you haven't seen or heard of adverse reactions click your heels and go kiss your mother: you're one of the lucky ones. I had to get the vac for int travel and to this day, 6 months later, I still have not recovered my strength. I had covid before that and since then, the first time I barely noticed it,…

I think you're thinking of the Cutter incident in the '50s, where they didn't properly weaken the live polio vaccine and it lead to cases of paralysis. I saw temporary blindness listed as a rare side effect of the DTP combined vaccine, but little else.

fwiw I did not notice any long-term side effects from my three Pfizer shots, nor did anyone I personally know.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

jmyeet wrote: post #66
robhunter wrote: post #21

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

> So much damage has been done to public trust Anti-vaxxers aren't new. What we have here is an unhealthy mix of exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism and contrarianism. There is a psychological comfort in believing you' can see through the [Big Lie/Conspiracy]. Prior to Covid it was autism and vaccine. When was the last time you heard about that? Before Covid. Why? Because we've moved on to another vaccine to be skep…

Caveat, I plan to get a universal vaccine as soon as I’m able to.

However, I will state I don’t believe the entirety of people not getting vaccines can be on fearmongering and ignorance. It is true that there has been contradictory public statements in a way that eroded trust in future statements, for example I remember there was plenty of positioning early on that vaccines provide immunity to disease in general and not just to severe disease. Of course this was prior to evidence of waning antibodies and virus escaping immunity, but now that those are well documented it makes having trusted the vaccines to provide complete immunity to seem foolish.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ars »

Robotbeat wrote: post #12
opan wrote: post #11

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Increased popularity of WFH probably helps a bit. You can order groceries to your house pretty easily as well.

Do they magically appear at your house with no addition driving involved? (Sorry, that came off snarkier than I intended. Online ordering of food just kind of outsources the driving, doesn’t reduce it. Different maybe for delivery trucks that serve multiple houses per trip.)

So what's your plan then for groceries to magically appear in someone's house without driving or delivery?

And if you say walk or bike or bus you clearly have very different shopping than I do - let me see you carry 2 cases of 15 bottles of seltzer, and a cart full of groceries on any of those.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by rayiner »

DennisP wrote: post #78
robhunter wrote: post #21

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

As an American with very little appetite for catching Covid, I'll be first in line for a universal covid vaccine.

I had it, before a vaccine was available, and it was a nothing burger, like it was for most 30-somethings. If you already have natural immunity, or 1-2 doses of the vaccine, there’s no point worry about it.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by mc32 »

etchalon wrote: post #87
robhunter wrote: post #80

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As I mentioned in another comment, the President of the United States literally said that if you take the vaccine, you won't get Covid, verbatim. To your broader point - I think skepticism about the efficacy of the Covid vaccine is a very different (and rapidly evolving) thing than traditional anti-vaxx rhetoric. If you don't think public trust has declined - why did fewer than 50% of people who got 2 doses go on to…

Very few people get the Flu vaccine every year. People are lazy.

People don't get them due to efficacy. People know the makers plan in advance and try to predict the strain that will hit and their prognostication is understandably sub-par.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by jameshart »

robhunter wrote: post #40
jameshart wrote: post #20

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What, with respect to vaccines, specifically, would you say has undermined trust? Was there some massive scandalous plague of side effects caused by a carelessly approved vaccine that I missed?

No, it's probably that the public was lead to believe the vaccines eliminated or materially & permanently reduced transmission of the virus.

Right.

Did they not?

I mean, I'm pretty sure that before we had vaccines, we had much higher hospitalization and mortality rates, and now we have partial vaccine coverage, things are quite a lot better.

Is it your position that vaccines shouldn't have been offered?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by sovnade »

apvieira wrote: post #84
sovnade wrote: post #37

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No official body has ever said "you will not get covid if you get the vaccine". Even the earliest trial results said "you will not be hospitalized or die if you get the vaccine", not that you won't get covid. And at the time, that was true because we were dealing with the original strain. Nothing else you said is untrue either. The vaccine drastically reduced the spread of the virus. I'm not sure what you're getting…

What about the CDC saying that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick"? https://youtu.be/uKf8dVxOy0s

And this was mostly true from the original strain back in early 2021. The vaccine reduced the ability to contract and spread the virus dramatically. The chances of contracting and spreading the original strain, if you were fully vaccinated, was close enough to zero to say it basically wasn't happening.

Delta obviously changed that, and omicron has changed it much more.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by yessirwhatever »

joeman1000 wrote: post #73
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #27

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I thought nobody was forced to take the vaccine?

We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.

Have you guys looked into COVID-19 Vaccine Claims Scheme? https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-...

Basically, you’re entitled for compensation if you’re in Australia and was forced to get a COVID-19 vaccine and had moderate to severe vaccine-related adverse events.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by sovnade »

ekianjo wrote: post #54
sovnade wrote: post #37

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No official body has ever said "you will not get covid if you get the vaccine". Even the earliest trial results said "you will not be hospitalized or die if you get the vaccine", not that you won't get covid. And at the time, that was true because we were dealing with the original strain. Nothing else you said is untrue either. The vaccine drastically reduced the spread of the virus. I'm not sure what you're getting…

Wrong on all accounts. The early communication about the vaccine was all about preventing infections. You are trying to rewrite History. Back in 2020, press release from Pfizer: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta... > "Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, wit…

It was extremely effective against preventing infection (and transmission). The press release you posted said as much. But everything I heard at the time was that it was 100% effective at preventing severe infections (including hospitalizations and death), and that you were much, much less likely to have symptoms at all should you contract it.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by KennyBlanken »

robocat wrote: post #38
KennyBlanken wrote: post #25

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> a vaccine can't make you yawn uncontrollably Please don’t rudely deny someone else’s experience. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please do not use tone arguments to dismiss someone responding to dangerous vaccine misinformation, especially when I was not "rude."

This entire thread is crawling with anti-vaccination rhetoric and misinformation.

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