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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by FredPret »

0des wrote: post #87
barry-cotter wrote: post #78

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Yeah, this is bullshit. Even with no knowledge of China or Shanghai whatsoever you should know this is bullshit. There were very few jumpers in New York on September 11th. Most people don’t kill themselves in the face of certain death by burning or a building falling. Mass suicide wasn’t a thing in extermination camps like Auschwitz. Religiously motivated instances of mass suicide rely on peer pressure mechanisms tha…

Very few jumped in 9/11? Are you kidding me? I personally saw many with my own eyes.

I’m so sorry to hear that. That must’ve been an awful experience

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by mensetmanusman »

A high school friend of ours is apartment-jailed in Shanghai right now. She is a young mom, and all the moms in the apartment are all out of everything required to care for babies. Trying to share strategies on how to use any kitchen ingredients to make formula or rash ointments…

I wonder if this will actually have any political blowback in the coming years, or if this only strengthens the ccp.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Shadonototra »

ailun wrote: post #74
Gigachad wrote: post #40

Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.

I saw that video and I don't they are all in Shanghai or all recent.

all recent? are you sure about that? in half of them, you see people without a single mask, wich indicates they are not that recent ;)

aren't you trying to spread misinformation?

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measur...

In the USA: 1.4 millions suicide attempt in 2019

4000 suicide a day! make a video about it, and you'll have the same effect ;)

Okok, let's only take deaths

47.5k deaths in 2019 from suicides

130 deaths a day!

2.5 deaths per state a day! make a video about it, and you'll get the same effect!

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by csee »

Laforet wrote: post #79
csee wrote: post #36

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Only because HK's elderly are not widely vaccinated, and also because Sinovac makes up about half of their vaccinations and this vaccine is not as good at preventing mortality. A very similar situation to Mainland China, actually. So the question still hasn't been answered. Why is Mainland China insisting on pursuing this inferior strategy? The hard-lockdown zero-Covid low-vaccination approach has been shown to be in…

The imcumbent cabinet and politburo are going out of term later this year and a new list of names needs to be appointed and rubber stamped by the upcoming 20th CCP National Congress. The government essentially operate in caretaker mode for several months before the congress and any major policy reversal would be taboo as it could disrupt the political horse trading happening in the background. This is just not the ti…

Why can't they just clandestinely ramp up their elderly vaccination efforts? No face will be lost.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by t0bia_s »

rosndo wrote: post #32
ATsch wrote: post #18

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The market has a lot less strong of a grip on society so it is less urgent to simply wish the virus away by reopening everything at a huge human cost.

Keeping everything locked down has a huge human cost too. Quite possibly even bigger than “wishing the virus away”.

Of course, there are many studies on this topic.

- https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature...

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by treeman79 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #112

A high school friend of ours is apartment-jailed in Shanghai right now. She is a young mom, and all the moms in the apartment are all out of everything required to care for babies. Trying to share strategies on how to use any kitchen ingredients to make formula or rash ointments… I wonder if this will actually have any political blowback in the coming years, or if this only strengthens the ccp.

Complaining is against the party.

China makes use of people who complain to much

https://nypost.com/2022/04/07/researchers-claim-chinese-surg...

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by 0des »

urthor wrote: post #101
0des wrote: post #87

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Very few jumped in 9/11? Are you kidding me? I personally saw many with my own eyes.

As a percentage it wasn't high. Dozens I think? Maybe 100 jumpers out of 3000 deaths? In the worst situation imaginable. I call that an endorsement for humanity's innate desire to grasp at life.

> as a percentage

Buddy I don't even know where to start here, while being polite.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by jsemrau »

philliphaydon wrote: post #88
jsemrau wrote: post #59

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>Gated communities whose guards become jailers. Left Singapore after 10 years because of this. If you go into a shopping mall you need to "check in" fully authenticated with picture ID, "ambassadors" photograph any perceived violations, work from home is the standard. With the never-changing weather that was hard on the mental health. Surely, the rules have relaxed now, but that wasn't a fun experience.

There was no picture ID “ambassadors”. You either checked in using TraceTogether app, or your TraceTogether token. Before the app and token was mandatory you had to use your ID card. The reason my wife and I left after 10 years is security due to being rejected for PR and the company I work for laying off everyone to close the office. So we moved to Taiwan.

Please re-read the sentence. The TraceTogether app can be used or the picture id. But the information in TraceTogether is the same as in your NRIC/FIN. So you are authenticating with two strong keys phone number and NRIC / FIN wherever you go. The "ambassadors" walked around taking pictures. I think you combined two parts of the sentence into one.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by somewhereoutth »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #19

> This is the biggest, richest, most international city of China and people are starving, without medicine, and without freedom. Ouch. Seems like a really bad situation.

The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. There is also a picture of 3 fresh fish!

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by maxerickson »

urthor wrote: post #110
aperson_hello wrote: post #77

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And by excess death numbers, the US probably already had that many deaths before the time Australia locked down. The world acted too late to not let the cat out of the bag. Australia definitely avoided a lot of impact by locking down and starting locked down, but it was happenstance and geography that allowed it to do so semi-effectively

I believe most of the deaths in the US were not actually early. They were in that May-October range were there was just... yeah. Edit: data https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores... My old area under the curve skills require a bit more than a mark 1 eyeball. But most of it seems to be later, but there was an April spike.

They have a cumulative deaths option on their Covid data (the link is scaled to population, there's a toggle for that on the graph header).

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

The low China numbers prior to Omicron certainly seem to be a result of successful containment, I guess we will find out more over the next months about how Omicron goes (and whether they report it accurately).

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