Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you believe anything China says I have you a bridge to sell you.
That would make sense since they’re still building them in China
So they say.
An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
81–90 of 559 posts
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So the gap will likely narrow over time. No. Most of the early deaths occured because people didn't get some vaccine immunity before getting their first infection. Most people in Australia were vaccinated before their first infection thereby lowering the death rate.
I expect the gap to continue to narrow because it has been narrowing: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
If you start from the premise that a much larger portion of the vulnerable in the US have already been infected, the expectation would be that the gap will only ever narrow, so the direction isn't really an indictment of the policy in Australia, you have to look at where things end up.
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#83Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.
thats insane why would you believe people when they say that
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Talks about how magic money doesn’t exist but then printing out checks for everyone and it materially helping loads of people was definitely an Overton window shifter as well. There are principles and a status quo, and it always stays the same… until it changes.
There was no magic money tree. It took a while for the effects to spread to the whole of the economy - perhaps because people were in lockdown and limited in their ability to spend money - but throughout the western world people's incomes have been dropping in real inflation-adjusted terms. There's no way that they couldn't; a large chunk of the economy was shut down and producing nothing, so there's just plain less…
It was definitely the $2000 checks and not the $4.5 trillion bank bailout in 2019.
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#85Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.
Yeah, this is bullshit. Even with no knowledge of China or Shanghai whatsoever you should know this is bullshit. There were very few jumpers in New York on September 11th. Most people don’t kill themselves in the face of certain death by burning or a building falling. Mass suicide wasn’t a thing in extermination camps like Auschwitz. Religiously motivated instances of mass suicide rely on peer pressure mechanisms tha…
The video is here, (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tzosau/peop...) but each clip is unsourced or from an unknown date/time/location. It isn't a collective "mass suicide" in the Jonestown sense of the term, but a mass amount of individuals committing suicide.
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#86Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#87Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.
Yeah, this is bullshit. Even with no knowledge of China or Shanghai whatsoever you should know this is bullshit. There were very few jumpers in New York on September 11th. Most people don’t kill themselves in the face of certain death by burning or a building falling. Mass suicide wasn’t a thing in extermination camps like Auschwitz. Religiously motivated instances of mass suicide rely on peer pressure mechanisms tha…
Very few jumped in 9/11? Are you kidding me? I personally saw many with my own eyes.
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#88Everyone here is commenting on Covid, vaccines, social policy and whatnot. I can't help but see a different, bigger and human story here. It's about how the systems people erect around themselves turn against them. Gated communities whose guards become jailers. Convenient fast food delivery systems that become tools of rationing and siege. News and communications systems turned to propaganda and social control. Meanw…
>Gated communities whose guards become jailers. Left Singapore after 10 years because of this. If you go into a shopping mall you need to "check in" fully authenticated with picture ID, "ambassadors" photograph any perceived violations, work from home is the standard. With the never-changing weather that was hard on the mental health. Surely, the rules have relaxed now, but that wasn't a fun experience.
There was no picture ID “ambassadors”. You either checked in using TraceTogether app, or your TraceTogether token. Before the app and token was mandatory you had to use your ID card.
The reason my wife and I left after 10 years is security due to being rejected for PR and the company I work for laying off everyone to close the office. So we moved to Taiwan.
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I expect the gap to continue to narrow because it has been narrowing: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
If you start from the premise that a much larger portion of the vulnerable in the US have already been infected, the expectation would be that the gap will only ever narrow, so the direction isn't really an indictment of the policy in Australia, you have to look at where things end up.
I didn't say it was an indictment of Australian policy, and don't think that. But my parent was saying that the gap was unlikely to narrow, which is just wrong.
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So the gap will likely narrow over time. No. Most of the early deaths occured because people didn't get some vaccine immunity before getting their first infection. Most people in Australia were vaccinated before their first infection thereby lowering the death rate.
I expect the gap to continue to narrow because it has been narrowing: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
Besides the statistical anomaly at the end (probably a one time correction for some past cases) the US death rate has always been higher. So the gap has been widening until now. Look at cumulative cases.
Only the derivative of the gap, the daily deaths per capita, has been narrowing. I agree that the daily numbers should become similar when prior immunity due to vaccination or infection becomes similar (all else being equal). But that does not erase the huge amount of deaths before people got their first vaccine.