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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by asimops »

dcchambers wrote: post #93

I am not going to blatantly support piracy of video games (Most of us work in the software industry, and most of us want to get paid for our work. Video games should be no different.), but I think it's clear that game preservation has some issues in its current state, and Nintendo is one of the worst offenders. Nintendo is a lot like Apple in this way. They see things in one way, and assume all consumers will happily…

But where do you still find games that you own? You might be lucky enought to still own a physical media but the game is still only licensed to you. What if the licensor decides that the media will burn the first account it is used with into some efuses? No more selling that cart. You can be f*cked with every minute.

Or just a hypothetical example: you bought a cool sandbox game in alpha and then some years later, some big IT corp comes around and requires that you now have to use their account system, hand over your data and agree to being tracked.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Karsteski »

threeseed wrote: post #63
joenathanone wrote: post #27

I wouldn't have known about this if not for the take down, now I am interested in purchasing a Steam Deck.

If people were showing you how to bypass Steam and download games for free do you really think Valve wouldn't use DCMA to have it removed ? Because I can't think of any business who would tolerate this.

I can easily pirate most games on Steam. I don't, because they provide a good service and I believe game creators should be paid for their work. I will never buy another Nintendo game or device because they are very anti-consumer in too many ways that are off-putting to me, and I don't like buying locked down hardware. So emulation on the Steam Deck it is :)

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by stjohnswarts »

eezurr wrote: post #65

Nintendo really cares about the Nintendo experience, from their games all the way to the physical product people hold to experience them. And it shows. People talk about Nintendo as if a spell has been cast on them (much in the way Apple fans talk about Apple). If you look into how much Nintendo spends on R&D and compare it to their revenues, you'll see they are _really_ serious about R&D. It would be detrimental to…

That's great, if the person using the emulation doesn't like the experience then they'll (maybe) go buy the original Nintendo experience.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

eezurr wrote: post #65

Nintendo really cares about the Nintendo experience, from their games all the way to the physical product people hold to experience them. And it shows. People talk about Nintendo as if a spell has been cast on them (much in the way Apple fans talk about Apple). If you look into how much Nintendo spends on R&D and compare it to their revenues, you'll see they are _really_ serious about R&D. It would be detrimental to…

This comment rings hollow considering Nintendo's track record of bungling online multiplayer with high latencies, and how much of a train wreck Nintendo Switch Online's N64 emulation has been.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

vlunkr wrote: post #104
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> The Steam deck doesn't just threaten the outdated hardware of the switch in terms of games and gaming performance, it threatens Nintendo's platform on its own turf. I really doubt it. - It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch - It's more expensive and has worse battery life. Better graphics don't matter that much on a tiny screen. (Game Gear…

Battery life is variable. Pokémon kills my switch in about 1.5 hours. It’s been shown that , depending on the setting, steam deck can rival switch in battery life. Playing a modern game at high settings and uncapped frame rate will kill your battery, but low settings and capping frame rate at 30fps will make the steam deck last much longer.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by stjohnswarts »

causality0 wrote: post #46
shmerl wrote: post #4

Someone is scared Switch got competition that can run Nintendo games that even Switch itself can't.

I wonder how the Steam Deck does with Switch games that run notoriously poorly, like Age of Calamity.

It wouldn't be any different than PC. the steam deck is essentially x86 squeezed into the format of a switch/gameboy/handheld_x

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by gambiting »

999900000999 wrote: post #109
gambiting wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Nobody knows if it's even possible to get Microsoft Game Pass running on it What do you mean nobody knows? Just install windows on it, and play your Gamepass games? Same with the Epic launcher. >>It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. That's not even remotely comparable. May I remind you that in US Sony has lost the legal battle against Blem! Em…

There's no way to legally dump a switch rom. It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do. You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it loo…

>>It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA.

I don't live on the US and there's literally nothing illegal about dumping a switch ROM here. DMCA doesn't have any authority here. Besides, even in US you have the right to make a copy of the media you own and this particular scenario hasn't been tested in court so at best you are speculating.

>>Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file.

Where I live you can legally just download a copy of a game that you own and play that, nothing illegal about that.

>>Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do.

Even then, that's not a reason for Nintendo to remove those videos from YouTube. Just like a video explaining how to use a torrent client shouldn't be removed, even though "probably" 99.9% of users use torrents to pirate content.

Did you forget the entire discussion last year about the takedown of Youtube-DL? Just because something might be used illegally doesn't make it illegal.

>>You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it looks like nothing works yet

Right, that part I'll admit I wasn't aware of.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by staticman2 »

mwt wrote: post #83
staticman2 wrote: post #22

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Switch has better battery life than Deck, has a supply chain which is actually able to aquire parts in mass quantities and sell to a large number of customers, and is more user friendly than any PC will ever be. I'll be buying a Deck in a few months when my preorder is ready to ship, but it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts while Nintendo makes mass market products for the general public.

> it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts It is if you want it to be, but it's also a plug-and-play handheld console for PC gamers, which is not a niche market. Yeah, it runs a Linux-based OS but it's not like the user has to install it. Yeah, tinkerers and hackers are gonna do crazy stuff with it, but the vast majority of users will simply exchange $400 for a thing that runs video games.

Well it's definetly "niche" in that it's not sold in general stores and you have to order it 6 months in advance since Valve can't make them in large quantities at the moment. That's gonna be a deal killer for most consumers for now.

Best case scenario it is plug and play for Deck verified games bought on Steam. If you want to play a game you own on GOG or the Epic store that's already going to require some tinkering to get it working in handheld mode if the experience is anything like trying to get the steam controller to work with other stores on PC. Similarly anything not sold on Steam (Including any Ubisoft game or Blizzard game these days I think).

And all the parts of the Steam catalogue that just aren't verified to run well.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Dylan16807 »

cassac wrote: post #59
user_7832 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually. Lower price, yes, but better games? Different games, sure but I wouldn't call them better given that it can run almost everything a windows PC can.

Yes, better games. Nintendo first party titles from their Zelda, Mario and Mario Kart franchises are consistently among the best games for their time period with some of the biggest appeal across the gamer spectrums. If I could choose only one system it would be the switch easily. If only it had Valheim on it I would never put it down.

It depends on what part of those franchises you're focused on. The most recent entry of each favors switch, everything older mostly favors the steam deck.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by mattl »

themikesanto wrote: post #29
lostgame wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms. We all felt the same way about SEGA in the early 90’s…

...and now I play Sonic Mania on my Nintendo Switch

And Nintendo will even sell you a Genesis controller.

https://www.nintendo.com/store/products/sega-genesis-control...

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