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Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by fastball »

javchz wrote: post #81
fastball wrote: post #56

Pretty disingenuous for this guy not to mention the potential benefits of such measures, namely: iPhones become pretty much worthless on the black market, discouraging theft. I'm more worried about someone stealing my phone (where the cost is the whole value of the device) than I am about breaking the phone (usually my fault) where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable.

I can see your point in theory. But I find less "it's not repairable to protect you from thieves", and more in line with Apple wanting to sell you a new phone when you drop it, instead of repair it. I'm wanna thing there are a lot of better ways to avoid a black market, than creating more e-waste with disposable devices impossible to repair.

But Apple literally does repair my phone when I drop it?

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by fastball »

chmod775 wrote: post #73
fastball wrote: post #56

Pretty disingenuous for this guy not to mention the potential benefits of such measures, namely: iPhones become pretty much worthless on the black market, discouraging theft. I'm more worried about someone stealing my phone (where the cost is the whole value of the device) than I am about breaking the phone (usually my fault) where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable.

> where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable. Careful, if Louis Rossmann reads that you may give him a sudden case of apoplexy. The only thing "fairly reasonable" about what Apple likes to charge is that you fairly reasonably may as well just buy a new phone.

I've broken iPhones around 10 times.

Not a single time was the cost of repair even close to the cost of a new phone.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by simonh »

jacquesm wrote: post #41

Paying a few hundred $ for a phone that lasts for just a couple of years never made sense in the first place. The amount of e-waste generated is insane, 'right to repair' and 'responsible use of capital and resources' go hand in hand. Phones could easily last a decade.

Apple has topped the Greenpeace rankings for major tech companies for the last 4 years. One of the main reasons is the iphones industry leading service life. This is also why they retain such high resale values. They just last and last, and get more than double the software update support lifetime of even Google’s own phones.

If you primarily care about the environment when getting a phone, the iPhone is the clear choice.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by bengale »

asddubs wrote: post #108
bengale wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I knew a guy who used to run one of these little repair stalls, almost all of his parts came from stripping down stolen devices he got from local scallys. These were all genuine parts, but it made stealing these phones more lucrative.

Seems like that market could also be hurt by apple just offering genuine replacement parts

I guess cost would be a factor. It seems like they could also offer some sort of service where phones can be reverified if the shop can evidence where it got parts.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by cassianoleal »

barry-cotter wrote: post #106
luegen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Petty theft is more an issue of economic inequality. If the criminal had an incentive for being honorable citizens, then theft would not happen.

Have you so little respect for people that you think they are all thieves? In India and China, countries in which most of the top 10% by income would fall below the US poverty line most people never steal. Theft is not mostly about poverty.

Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality.

I agree that most people will not steal. That's been my experience of growing up in a country with rampant poverty and inequality (and crime).

That said, the more people are in need, the more incentive for them to look for solutions outside of a system that has inherently failed them and the people they know.

I have myself been robbed and assaulted multiple times. I have had relatives kidnapped. Cars stolen leaving or entering their own garage, sometimes in nice areas of the city. I have been myself held at gunpoint by both criminals and police. The house I grew up in has been burglarised multiple times. I have not once, and don't know a single person who has been assaulted or robbed by a middle or upper class person.

There is probably also some correlation between white collar crime and corruption, and poverty, but I suspect the direction of causality goes the other way around in this case.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by jodrellblank »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #67
djanogo wrote: post #21

I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…

> I support right to repair, but ONLY with genuine parts with warranty. Why? Why can't I make that decision myself? If I'm fine with a cheaper display, why should apple disallow me from doing that? If they sold their spare parts in their own store, everyone could make the decision whether they want genuine or 3rd party replacement parts themselves. The phone could tell you when the part is not genuine, so you could g…

The much more likely outcome is people buying broken iPhones in bulk, putting cheap screens in them, and selling them as originals.

The number of people who (A, bought an iPhone as a high-end device. B, broke it. C, in a way that can be repaired, D, are capable and motivated to do the repair themselves, E, are unwilling to pay for a repair from Apple or have AppleCare, F, are willing to go from high-end device to cheap-discount parts, G, are apopleptic when they can't and didn't know about this in advance) is approximately nobody.

People who are happy with discount cheaper parts probably aren't buying Apple in the first place. People who are careful about repairs to extend the life of their property are likely more careful than average to avoid breaks in the first place. People who care about repairs likely know about Apple's repair policies before choosing to buy an iPhone. And people who splurged money on an iPhone for whatever reason are unlikely to be happy with cheaper parts, or they would have got a cheaper phone in the first place.

It's not literally nobody, but is it really enough people and a common enough situation to base national or international policy on, when crime and fraud and scams are very common? Isn't it really a very unlikely situation which tickles the geek dream of getting a broken iPhone cheap from a friend or dumpster, putting a cheap screen in it, and having used your skills to wrangle a bargain from the Universe, and therefore makes an easy internet upvote comment more than it makes a genuine objection?

You could still do almost all that if you could buy genuine replacement parts from Apple at not-extortionate prices, right?

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by msdrigg »

fastball wrote: post #111
javchz wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see your point in theory. But I find less "it's not repairable to protect you from thieves", and more in line with Apple wanting to sell you a new phone when you drop it, instead of repair it. I'm wanna thing there are a lot of better ways to avoid a black market, than creating more e-waste with disposable devices impossible to repair.

But Apple literally does repair my phone when I drop it?

You mean if you pay 10$ per month for AppleCare? I dont pay for it but I have helped friends file claims with Apple, and they usually just ship back a brand new device instead of actually repairing the device. Even for things like screen damage. You can tell because small scratches on the back screen from normal use are gone upon return.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by asddubs »

fastball wrote: post #56

Pretty disingenuous for this guy not to mention the potential benefits of such measures, namely: iPhones become pretty much worthless on the black market, discouraging theft. I'm more worried about someone stealing my phone (where the cost is the whole value of the device) than I am about breaking the phone (usually my fault) where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable.

if apple offered replacement parts they would also dampen that black market a lot.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by turbinerneiter »

elzbardico wrote: post #98
makeitdouble wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that your personal optimum for resale value primes over the collective optimum of having a replacement parts ecosystem ?

No. I am saying that given the size of the resale market of iPhones, I’d bet most people are more interested on that. If it were otherwise we would see more people not buying iPhones because of that. You see this phenomenon in cars, where brands with low reliability or repairability usually need more discounts to be sold.

That's is not all an argument for bricking phones with 3rd party parts, just for having a setting screen that shows which parts are original, replaced and from which source.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by asddubs »

bengale wrote: post #114
asddubs wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like that market could also be hurt by apple just offering genuine replacement parts

I guess cost would be a factor. It seems like they could also offer some sort of service where phones can be reverified if the shop can evidence where it got parts.

or have them be one time programmable, so you can use new replacement parts from apple but can't transplant them. although in terms of e-waste that's still not ideal
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