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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by thaumasiotes »

Yizahi wrote: post #41

That's because they know how shitty is sleep function really. Ok, laptop is in a sleep mode successfully. But doing anything to it or even looking at it funny will immediately wake it. Moving mouse, switching off mouse, inserting or removing mouse dongle, inserting or removing headphones and so on. I simply stopped using sleep mode altogether.

> Ok, laptop is in a sleep mode successfully. But doing anything to it or even looking at it funny will immediately wake it.

The XPS that I recently replaced had to be closed at night, which annoyed me every day. If left open, it would detect that it was idle and shut off the display. Except that that only worked on the laptop screen. The external monitor would go through a permanent cycle of shutting off, waking up, displaying a "no signal" message, shutting off, waking up...

This doesn't happen with other laptops on the same monitor. Something was broken pretty badly.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by hexo »

creshal wrote: post #64
sandGorgon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow. i did NOT know that. Even worse... > Switching between S3 and Modern Standby cannot be done by changing a setting in the BIOS. Switching the power model is not supported in Windows without a complete OS re-install. and on Reddit > Warning: if your laptop is newer than 2019, there is a high chance, your OEM removed any S3 code from the bios, and your laptop will crash entering S3 and you have to force hold pow…

Seems to be mostly a Dell/Microsoft problem, haven't heard of other vendors removing S3 functionality (yet, anyway).

ASUS UM325

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by RGamma »

gibba999 wrote: post #6

I've had hibernated laptops wake up for whatever reasons in bags before. They get super-hot and shut down. Come to think of it, they were Dells. Perhaps some switch is not properly debounced or something.

Had similar issues. Has something to do with wake timers (see powercfg /waketimers)

Sometimes caused by drivers or periphery. Good luck disabling them all.

No idea how modern sleep plays into this. The Linux hibernate turns the system off for real (battery can be removed).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by reitzensteinm »

joeberon wrote: post #72
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

I have a 2020 MBP, and it's as shitty as any high end Windows laptop I've used.

The thermals are awful under moderate CPU use, the fan spins when using an external monitor, the battery vampire drains when it's shut for an extended time instead of saving memory to disk and shutting off.

I think what really happens is people compare $1k Dells with $3k Apples.

I'm looking forward to an M1X MBP, though. That may legitimately outclass any Windows device.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by RileyJames »

worldmerge wrote: post #49
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I also have a 9500. I'm considering selling it, the hardware is just so buggy. If I do I'll probably buy a framework laptop.

Looking to update an older XPS. Seriously considering a framework, but might just buy a desktop considering I spend 90% of real dev work in the same spot with a 4K.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by thaumasiotes »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #31

Dell service quality is getting down. Warranty is something they were proud of. Now, it's just came an absurdly inefficient, frustrating, and wasteful experience. I have an XPS 2-in-1. Nice machine, except for the so-so battery life and the unsupported webcam on linux, it was a good working laptop. I paid for the biggest config at the time, and included a $300 premium guarantee with on site servicing. One year later,…

> I contacted their support, and while the people on the phone were polite and competent (!)

I contacted Dell support recently when my new laptop didn't send an image to my (Dell) external monitor.

The support guy asked me what cable I was using. It's DisplayPort on the monitor end and Thunderbolt USB-C on the laptop end. It works with the Dell laptop the recent one replaced.

The support guy proceeded to look up the new laptop's product page on Dell's public website, see language saying that for the Thunderbolt port to work with DisplayPort, you need to buy an adapter, and recommend that I buy a USB-C to MiniDP adapter. It was left unexplained how I would plug my USB-C Thunderbolt cable into the MiniDP adapter.

I wouldn't trust Dell support to know how to put on pants.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by hexo »

zokier wrote: post #82
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dells were the only laptops I ever encountered that you could bend. It’s amazing anyone other then starving college kids ever used them.

I have Thinkpad (x230 iirc) that reliably crashes if you lift it up from one side only.

My X240 started to crash a year ago when i lift it up from left side only, right side is ok

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by thaumasiotes »

Dell sells official Dell laptop bags, backpacks, and cases: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/carrying-cases/ac/7301

"Keep your laptop, tablet and everyday essentials protected with sleek backpacks designed to blend in to any environment."

I suspect that a lawsuit against their denial of warranty for putting a laptop into a backpack would go pretty well.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by y4mi »

zokier wrote: post #75
vesinisa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

Why though?

My drive can write with up to 3gb/s. I only have 32 gb of ram, so the process should take at most 10s. Generally less, as a lot is usually free.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by DonHopkins »

sokoloff wrote: post #109
jraph wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the thread just next to your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28640283 It's also Macs. Computers are complicated, some things are probably released with a tight schedule, things are not formally verified, and therefore have bugs. Hardware or software. It's sad but we have to deal with it. Sleep has been working well on Linux on the machines I've been using for the past years (especially after removi…

Tomp was likely talking about the Mac “reopen running apps after reboot” which works very well in terms of putting your state back the way it was. Terminals aren’t fully restored (what would it mean to/how could you restore an ssh connection anyway?), but most apps for most people are.

>Terminals aren’t fully restored (what would it mean to/how could you restore an ssh connection anyway?), but most apps for most people are.

See my post about NeWS ~/.startup.ps event recording and playback above. You could record keyboard events to set up your terminal windows and emacs buffers and shells, and mouse events to open and position windows, pop up and select from menus, press buttons and drag sliders, etc.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28640529

Back in the 80's we used unencrypted rlogin with .rhosts files to avoid typing passwords, but now you can restore encrypted shell connections using ssh keys.

The nice thing is that it was WYDIWYG (What You Did Is What You Get), no writing scripts in various shell and emacs scripting languages, just record and playback, like keyboard macros for the window system.

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