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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by [deleted] »

joeberon wrote: post #72
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by vesinisa »

captn3m0 wrote: post #83
vesinisa wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who is concerned about this should already be using full-disk encryption, which means the memory contents are actually better protected during hibernation than in a live state. This is one thing that usually Linux gets mostly right .. only if the proprietary GPU drivers played along. Meanwhile, Microsoft and Apple certainly could implement this properly but instead decide to release a new half-assed half-hiber…

https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/55845.html I was referring to this.

AFAIK this is only an issue if you think UEFI Secure Boot and TPM are a good idea. The traditional way to implement full-disk encryption on Linux is by disabling UEFI validation and deriving the key from a passphrase rather than storing it in the TPM.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by joeberon »

siva7 wrote: post #86
joeberon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

It's funny how the competition tries to copy the success of the Macbook line but fails on such an elementar design. I really wish they would succeed and make laptops not made by Apple suck less.

I guess it's difficult when you don't control the full stack. Windows is a bit of a mess nowadays to be honest, you will probably get better luck with a linux laptop

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by dotancohen »

kelnos wrote: post #15
mytailorisrich wrote: post #4

Clickbait. What they actually say: " Under no circumstances should you leave a laptop powered on and in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag, backpack, or in an overhead bin. The PC will overheat as a result of that action. Any resulting damage will not be covered by the Dell warranty. " Fair enough. A laptop that overheats because it's been left in an enclosed space whilst not off is not damage caus…

I don't think this is clickbait; I think any normal user would think that closing the lid puts the laptop into a state where putting it in a bag is entirely safe to do. Microsoft seems to have decided to entirely break this expectation such that closing the lid of a laptop puts it into this weird not-really-suspended state, such that putting it in a confined space could cause it to overheat. It's... pretty user-unfri…

So, why does the lid close then?

Or in other words, from the perspective of the hardware, what is about to happen once somebody closes the lid?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by DonHopkins »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #79
qwerty456127 wrote: post #12

> With regards to transporting your laptop, you must first turn the laptop OFF This has been a problem for already quite long. I remember my very old laptop overheating if being put in the backpack in Standby mode. Nowadays I in fact don't just turn laptops Off the default way. I go and disable the "fast start up" (Control Panel - Power Options - Choose what the power buttons do) to make sure the computer gets turnt…

> Besides starting up fast, another important value standby modes add is freeing you from having to open, position and initialize (open the documents/locations in them) all your apps manually every time. But this seems trivial to be reached by adding functions to just save the list of opened apps, their windows positions and the actual documents which were opened in them. This will require some coordinated effort fro…

NeWS used to have a way to record an event stream and play it back later, so you could record a start-up event stream to play from ~/.startup.ps when you ran the NeWS server, that would pop up menus and open windows, start apps, position them on the screen, type stuff into them, click on buttons, etc.

You had to be careful and not record setting up your desktop too fast, but then it worked pretty well! I would open up terminals on a bunch of different servers, start emacs in shell windows, set up my initial emacs shell window, etc. I'd just go take a dump and get some coffee while NeWS warmed up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS

That was the best you could do in 1986, since none of the Unix programs or gui apps at that time had any idea about how to save and restore their state, and there wasn't a standard desktop framework (except what NeWS provided, which was hardly a standard).

I'm disappointed that 35 years later all window systems don't come with a standard built-in event recording and playback (and even editing) feature you can use to set up your desktop or execute repetitive tasks. Like visual Emacs keyboard macros.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by thaumasiotes »

undecisive wrote: post #36

Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…

> Nowadays, the base of the laptop has bowed, causing the trackpad to unglue and jut out at an angle.

I don't think that's coming from the laptop sagging. They're pretty rigid. I think your battery has swollen.

But fret not, it's "factory-replaceable".

There's another modern trend with what appears to be no justification.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by RGamma »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #94
zokier wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

I have a Dell laptop I bought within the last couple of months. Hibernate is not in the start menu, and the option to add it to the start menu has been disabled. It's still possible to assign "hibernate" as the action taken in response to various power-related actions such as closing the lid or pressing the power button. This makes no sense; I'm not sure what's going on.

You can enable the start menu hibernate button in advanced power settings:

System -> Power & sleep -> Additional power settings -> Choose what the power buttons do -> Change settings that are currently unavailable -> Check Hibernate.

And then get lucky that your laptop wakes up again (mine dies 1 out of 10 times)

Edit: sorry, can't read.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by hvidgaard »

jraph wrote: post #96
tomp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, it's quite fascinating what you non-Mac people are willing to put up with. Or maybe it's fascinating how Mac JustWorks(TM).

Read the thread just next to your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28640283 It's also Macs. Computers are complicated, some things are probably released with a tight schedule, things are not formally verified, and therefore have bugs. Hardware or software. It's sad but we have to deal with it. Sleep has been working well on Linux on the machines I've been using for the past years (especially after removi…

> It's sad but we have to deal with it.

We can absolutely both meet reasonable innovation and deadlines with formal verification. It's just that no one wants to pay for it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by sokoloff »

jraph wrote: post #96
tomp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, it's quite fascinating what you non-Mac people are willing to put up with. Or maybe it's fascinating how Mac JustWorks(TM).

Read the thread just next to your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28640283 It's also Macs. Computers are complicated, some things are probably released with a tight schedule, things are not formally verified, and therefore have bugs. Hardware or software. It's sad but we have to deal with it. Sleep has been working well on Linux on the machines I've been using for the past years (especially after removi…

Tomp was likely talking about the Mac “reopen running apps after reboot” which works very well in terms of putting your state back the way it was. Terminals aren’t fully restored (what would it mean to/how could you restore an ssh connection anyway?), but most apps for most people are.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by bestouff »

JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I have an XPS 9500 under Linux (this is a >$4000 machine), no amount of fiddling with BIOS settings (which are few) or systemd/GNOME settings will make it work reliably:

- short suspend time (it can't really stay overnight when suspended with a full battery)

- sometimes it wakes up and overheats in the bag

- very short battery duration when unplugged

Apparently I'm not alone, and even under Windows it's a generalized problem; and when you look for solution on Dell's forum you find this FAQ, which tend to say XPS are more foldable desktops than real laptops.

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