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Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by graeme »

mfer wrote: post #21

A question to consider is, how to we move from pandemic to endemic? COVID-19 isn't going away and will join the other endemic viruses like chicken pox, the other widely out there coronaviruses, etc.

Chickenpox is no longer endemic in the sense that covid proponents say covid will be. Chickenpox has am effective vaccine, get that and you don’t get chickenpox. Vaccination has substantially reduced it and could eliminate it in local areas.

Endemicity proponents argue it will be like the common cold. But that’s unproven. Endemic just means “present”. Malaria is endemic, dengue is endemic. HIV is endemic in certain areas and groups. The word itself tells you nothing.

Absent restrictions and even with vaccinations you’d expect most people to get a covid infection 1x per year or two. Same way we generally do with other coronaviruses. The hope is that SARS-Cov-2 is just like any other coronavirus and with immunity won’t cause long run issues upon repeat reinfection.

We’ll find out the answer by 2024 or so.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by heavyset_go »

tinus_hn wrote: post #100
hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

You are contradicting yourself. You say this is about getting things under control, but then you say there is no way of controlling things. Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. You say ‘it will probably be a common cold, once humans have enough antibodies’. Humans do not get per…

> Humans do not get permanent antibodies from the vaccines. They get antibodies from getting infected.

Weird, I've yet to get chicken pox/shingles, mumps, polio etc despite being vaccinated against them as a child. And I still catch the flu regularly despite having already had it.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by [deleted] »

tinus_hn wrote: post #100
hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

You are contradicting yourself. You say this is about getting things under control, but then you say there is no way of controlling things. Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. You say ‘it will probably be a common cold, once humans have enough antibodies’. Humans do not get per…

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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by endisneigh »

irishsultan wrote: post #101
endisneigh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it was an honest question. what about it came across as snarky?

Expecting that we would be aware of vaccines that provide a decade long protection against a disease that has been around for less than 3 years. I mean we could have those vaccines already, but we couldn't possibly know that we have them until they've been around for a decade or more.

Per the article we already know 3-dose of Pfizer does not offer a decade of prevention. What the article states is that it offers a level of protection similar to when one first completes the two-dose regimen, so we don't have to wait a decade to know.

All we know is that an additional dose does increase your protection, but it doesn't necessarily give you a decade of protection since there were people who got the 3rd dose and still got COVID.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by babesh »

titzer wrote: post #75
bsksi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, we have acknowledged it. The question is, have our politicians acknowledged it, or will they keep taking our rights?

Try going out in public naked or running a few red lights and then come back and troll some more about your "rights". The world is full of rules to prevent you from being a jerk and endangering others.

Going out in the public naked is actually accepted in some parts of the world and it is a lot 'closer' than you think.

For instance, go to one of the beaches right in Barcelona, topless. Another example, go to Baker Beach in SF, topless and bottomless. A third example, go to beaches in some of the Greek islands, topless and bottomless.

Another example, in the summer, do you see men go around topless?

Yet another example, go to bathhouses in Turkey or Japan.

Yet another example, go to your local gym's locker room.

Yet another example, all those tribal peoples that you read about. Many of them were topless and were often bottomless.

Yet another example. Go to the Folsom Street Parade or Bay to Breakers in SF.

How is this endangering anyone other than your prudishness that you want to impose on others?

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by dukeofdoom »

Since the daily cases are now up to where they were before the vaccine. Its pretty clear the original promise of the vaccine has been a giant failure. And serious erosion of trust with major medical and political implications.

A more sensible approach would be have the at risk group vaccinate. And let the young and strong opt for natural immunity, which it turns out is superior and much more longer lasting anyway.

In any case, since, viruses prey on the weak with compromised immune systems. This should be compared to a nation wide weight loss program. Eating healthy, proper sleep and dental health, and managing stress levels.

Instead we got lockdowns with gyms shutdown, and people forced to sit inside away from the sun, scared and stressed.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by whatshisface »

bondarchuk wrote: post #98
hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

The amount of times I've seen text to the extent of "mRNA does not alter DNA" vastly exceeds the amount of text I've seen that claims mRNA does alter DNA. As far as I could see nobody in this thread is claiming such a thing, so I'm genuinely curious to know why you feel the need to point it out.

Everyone knows you can't predict what a treatment will do just by knowing its mechanism - if you could, clinical trials would never fail. Talking about the mechanism is the least effective way to explain how it's safe, because most people realize that well-controlled studies are the only true authority.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by [deleted] »

bondarchuk wrote: post #98
hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

The amount of times I've seen text to the extent of "mRNA does not alter DNA" vastly exceeds the amount of text I've seen that claims mRNA does alter DNA. As far as I could see nobody in this thread is claiming such a thing, so I'm genuinely curious to know why you feel the need to point it out.

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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by incrudible »

hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

Whatever is causing the severe side-effects, it's probably not the MRNA or the spike protein. With Pfizer/Moderna vaccines, it's likely the lipid nanoparticles causing Myocarditis. With the J&J vaccine, it's likely the viral vector that is causing TTS.

Both technologies have never been widely deployed before. The fact that we could not predict and still do not understand these side-effects is quite concerning. It also puts into question the "COVID infection is like the vaccine only worse" narrative.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by p_j_w »

tinus_hn wrote: post #100
hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

You are contradicting yourself. You say this is about getting things under control, but then you say there is no way of controlling things. Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. You say ‘it will probably be a common cold, once humans have enough antibodies’. Humans do not get per…

You've made it abundantly clear here that you don't know what you're talking about, so you perhaps should just stop talking at all on the matter.

>Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic.

Delaying the progression DOES help get things under control.

>The only argument there is is that vaccinated people get less seriously ill

No it's not. Vaccinated people are less likely to get ill at all, get seriously ill, or spread the virus.

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