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Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point we need to acknowledge that there will be no "overcoming" it and it will be endemic, like the flu.

Oh, we have acknowledged it. The question is, have our politicians acknowledged it, or will they keep taking our rights?

Stop downvoting this, it's a legitimate question. When are we going to stop all the policy bullshit, accept that it is endemic, and get back to normalcy as much as we can? It's wearing on everybody.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Assuming it's only as effective as the original two-dose shot and prevents for the same duration, it seems like COVID will never go away. Assuming the current trend and a 9 month prevention, that pretty much aligns to what happened last year. So we'd need no new significant variants to develop or any outbreaks. Seems unlikely given that there are many countries with vaccination rates under 50% Probably better to focu…

[edit] this is in response to the earlier version of your post where you wonder if the virus will ever go away: That I think is a given. Even if we had a bullet proof vaccine, you have such a large reserve of unvaccinated people across the world, plus animals, that the virus is endemic at this stage. Which isn't a problem. If once vaccinated the virus is mostly harmless, then it is just one more of the many endemic d…

"If once vaccinated the virus is mostly harmless"

Note that even not vaccinated, the ultra large majority of people either are asymptomatic or don't get anything worst than a flu (which doesn't mean covid = flu in general)

We seem to have forgotten that the original concern with the virus was the fact that it saturated intensive care units in hospitals, and thus prevented people from getting proper care.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here.

I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me.

The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the entire virus, basically, a much higher dose, and it would also invade the actual cell.

She also described the ingredients of an mRNA vaccine, which were basically:

-mRNA (which is gone from the body in a few days)

-lipids

-salt and sugars

It's also worth noting that the mRNA does not interact with a person's actual DNA. I just don't see why there is so much concern out there. This is a potentially deadly virus. Look at the states with the highest amount of unvaccinated individuals in the US. They are running out of hospital beds [1]. This is not about taking our freedoms, this is about getting this under control.

I do agree with the other posters here that say that COVID will likely just become endemic. My understanding is that eventually it will probably be a common cold, once humans have enough antibodies for it.

[1] https://fortune.com/2021/08/25/states-icu-beds-covid-cases-d...

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point we need to acknowledge that there will be no "overcoming" it and it will be endemic, like the flu.

Oh, we have acknowledged it. The question is, have our politicians acknowledged it, or will they keep taking our rights?

The acknowledgement of it being endemic doesn't necessitate that we put up with covid's destructive nature. It's still the case that:

1. A large number of people globally don't have access to the vaccine yet.

2. A large proportion of the USA's population either doesn't feel motivated to get the vaccine or is explicitly opposed to it.

There will come a day where we collectively say that enough is enough and we've done all we can, but there is still a lot of work to do before we get to that point. Managing the spread and improving vaccination numbers will overall reduce the damage done to people and the health system when we reach that point.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point we need to acknowledge that there will be no "overcoming" it and it will be endemic, like the flu.

Oh, we have acknowledged it. The question is, have our politicians acknowledged it, or will they keep taking our rights?

Try going out in public naked or running a few red lights and then come back and troll some more about your "rights". The world is full of rules to prevent you from being a jerk and endangering others.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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I am fascinated to know what the effects are of over-vaccination. Is there some spillover effects where a highly-primed immune system begins to get into weird autoimmune reactions? Do weird plaques develop or a build-up of antibodies begin to form in random parts of the body, like in a blood dyscrasia? Or does nothing happen? Chronic vaccine overdoses are so exotic, as access to vaccines had been historically so tigh…

Vaccination of the population affects how the virus mutate, that's why some scientist are pushing for more research on viral medicine and hospitalization therapy and not to force vaccinate the world.

It's still an evolving process so we will find out the numbers soon.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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It's like Linux on the desktop and fusion reactors. It seems like we are always one jab away from being safe and overcoming covid.

In fairness, I think it's been just as frustrating to the health officials setting out those targets— between non-compliance with the initial guidelines (both due to idiocy, and due to governments dragging their heels on the income/rent supports that would have allowed poor people to actually stay home), and then the appearance of the delta variant just as vaccination campaigns were getting seriously under way, I'm s…

I think we tend to under-acknowledge that the "return to normal" line is also a moving goalpost. I'm typing this comment out from a cross-country trip; when I return, I can eat in a restaurant or work from the office or even dance in a crowded nightclub if I want to. There's still mask mandates here and there, but I think there's a strong argument for the perspective that vaccines already did work and we already are back to normal in almost every way that government policy can achieve.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If so, I'm not sure how that's relevant to COVID at the present. Per the article we're discussing it's unclear how long a 3rd dose will be effective for, hence my comment to begin with. If we were to pre-suppose you gain a decade of prevention then yeah, that'd be great.

We don't know how the protections in the current vaccines are going to play out until we investigate them more.

Agreed, but we already know how 2-dose plays out with respect to Delta. The article in question is investigating how a 3rd dose fares against delta. There are also delta-specific boosters coming out soon.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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The best way to prevent your own deterioration and death from COVID-19 is to demand your medical providers implement a science-based approach to your care. This means that you should not consent to your over-oxygenation with medical oxygen. Science figured out 200 years ago that oxygen is toxic. Doctors knew this, then the antidote got forgotten. Some modern doctors are still aware of the toxicity of oxygen, but use…

Yes, I was aware that oxygen is toxic at high pressure.

One thing you don't mention, is that lack of oxygen, as with a serious COVID case, also causes death.

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