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Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

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Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#111

The whole real name thing was the deal killer for me. The last thing I need is more crap that will be stored forever, probably sold, analyzed, run through a bunch of machine learning algorithms and used to give me a multitude of bayesian probabilities forever and ever with my real name attached. The whole thing is just creepy. Google + isn't a financial institution or a military contractor. Why do they need to identi…

to prevent spam bots.

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

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post #80
post #64

How long are people going to tolerate the tyranny of large companies controlling social interaction? Google+ has all kinds of terms of service that I find infringing of free speech. Facebook has their own terms. I think we need to stop being sharecroppers and serfs and develop social network solutions that are distributed and open, or at least encourage the projects that are working on it already. The amount of press…

Everytime I see someone referencing "free speech" in a way that makes it painfully obvious they skipped over the words "CONGRESS shall make no laws restricting..." I want to bang my head against a wall. Google is a company, a company that's providing you a service free of charge. They are 100% within their right to tell you how not to use their product.

Nothing about Google is free.

It's a trade between your time + data + your eye balls ... and their datamining and ads.

Where do you think the billions of dollars of profit come from?

You're the product (in the form of ad clicks) that google sells to it's customers (the AdWords account holders).

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#113
Does anyone miss the pre-facebook days of online social networking where people mostly used aliases other than their real names?

Back then, we actually networked and found like-minded people or new friends through the tool. Now, we wait until we meet someone in real life, then find and friend them on the tool.

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

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post #80
post #64

How long are people going to tolerate the tyranny of large companies controlling social interaction? Google+ has all kinds of terms of service that I find infringing of free speech. Facebook has their own terms. I think we need to stop being sharecroppers and serfs and develop social network solutions that are distributed and open, or at least encourage the projects that are working on it already. The amount of press…

Everytime I see someone referencing "free speech" in a way that makes it painfully obvious they skipped over the words "CONGRESS shall make no laws restricting..." I want to bang my head against a wall. Google is a company, a company that's providing you a service free of charge. They are 100% within their right to tell you how not to use their product.

You know there is more to free speech than some words in the American constitution, right? A company can absolutely curtail someone's freedom of speech, it just isn't against the law for them to do so (usually).

So save your indignation for when someone suggests otherwise.

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#115
Well, we need not look any further than Hacker News to see how using pseudonyms only hurts interactions behind a veil of anonymity.

These scary posts got me yearning to commit Google+ suicide to minimize risk. I don't want to play high stakes with my Gmail account because I don't seem "real" enough to an algorithm. What's next shutting you down because your friends don't seem real enough?

Google's problem with customers is they come down on you pretty hard and give you little recourse. It's Kafka-esque unless you're a big ad account holder or minor celebrity.

Next up Google+ vs the Scoble brigade.

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#116

The whole real name thing was the deal killer for me. The last thing I need is more crap that will be stored forever, probably sold, analyzed, run through a bunch of machine learning algorithms and used to give me a multitude of bayesian probabilities forever and ever with my real name attached. The whole thing is just creepy. Google + isn't a financial institution or a military contractor. Why do they need to identi…

Technically, they ask that your display name is what your "friends, family, and coworkers" call you. To an extent I find it odd that somebody thinks that all three of those groups would necessarily call you the same thing.

My google+ profile name is a nickname that my close friends and family would recognize but that none of my coworkers would. (Same with facebook, incidentally)

I agree with you though. Nobody on the Internet but my bank really needs my real name.

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#117
post #111

The whole real name thing was the deal killer for me. The last thing I need is more crap that will be stored forever, probably sold, analyzed, run through a bunch of machine learning algorithms and used to give me a multitude of bayesian probabilities forever and ever with my real name attached. The whole thing is just creepy. Google + isn't a financial institution or a military contractor. Why do they need to identi…

to prevent spam bots.

I don't see how that prevents spam bots better than a "don't be a spam bot" policy. Plenty of spam bots with real sounding names follow me twitter.

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#118
I suspect the reason Google wants your real name is to match it with credit headers. And before anyone calls me a tin-foiler please read the following and understand that I work in the industry. I'm not making a judgment call one way or the other as to whether this is "right" or not.

For those that don't know a credit header is information in a credit report that gives identifying information about a person. Credit headers contain:

Name, AKA's, Maiden Name, Date of Birth, Social Security Number and Issuing State, Relatives, along with Current and Previous Addresses which can go back 25+ years.

Credit headers have been ruled as to NOT be part of a credit report:

http://epic.org/privacy/fcra/

A credit header is identifying information from a credit report. It includes name, mother's maiden name, date of birth, sex, address, prior addresses, telephone number, and the Social Security Number.

Credit headers came into use after the FTC changed its definition of a credit report in the course of settling a case against TRW (now Experian). The FTC allowed the CRAs to treat headers as "above the line" information and to sell it with no legal protections for the individual. The reasoning was that this information did not relate to credit, and thus should not be considered part of the credit report.

Credit headers are used for location of individuals and for target marketing. They are sold in bulk by the CRAs and can be purchased online.

Google can simply take your IP address, trace it back and then run your name against the header database to locate individuals in your area with that name. The more unique your name the easier you are to identify. If you have a common name it would be further cross-referenced with other information like relative names or maiden names. Once identified they have your complete life history.

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#119

The whole real name thing was the deal killer for me. The last thing I need is more crap that will be stored forever, probably sold, analyzed, run through a bunch of machine learning algorithms and used to give me a multitude of bayesian probabilities forever and ever with my real name attached. The whole thing is just creepy. Google + isn't a financial institution or a military contractor. Why do they need to identi…

Do you use a credit card for anything?

Re: Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers

#120
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apt-get install postgrey That's really all I do...

Admittedly it's been a few years since I did this. Maybe it's gotten easier. What about other mail servers rejecting mail originating from your server? I had a lot of trouble with that too.

make sure you have a valid MX record and make sure the ip you get is not in a blocked segment in the major spam lists. You might need to do some work.
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