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Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by nix23 »

Zhenya wrote: post #101
radycov wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, by your own admission, you simply highlighted Israel's infrastructure control on Gaza. So it's not merely a military occupier but controls food, water and electricity supplies to the imprisoned population. But hey, thanks for your generosity to allow a trickle of aid supplies through. "Transfers of fuel for the power plant were stopped by Israel during the Gaza War in May 2021 and resumed by the end of Ju…

They are welcome to get it from egypt with whom they share a border as well.

The gaza-strip shares a border.

>Defensive removal of rocket infrastructure seems ok.

That's offensive removal of rockets, iron dome is defensive removal of (flying) rockets.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jkkorn »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #108
jkkorn wrote: post #103

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I don't know what's going on. This was supposed to be about "the idf doing humanitarian work in florida and helping with the rescue" seconds later the scope has become "everything israel does is wrong, look at gaza, something something apartheid"

Sorry that reality is crashing your propaganda party, dude. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it's all good ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ cool to critisize anything and anyone. It just comes off as a very different vibe when compared to other HN discussions.

Everyone here is so smart and inquisitive, but when the issue is middle east the gang seems to take a shallow, dogmatic take on something they absolutely do not understand. For so many independent thinkers there's a lot of knee jerk group think

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by mustafa_pasi »

Zhenya wrote: post #86
radycov wrote: post #84

Funny the IDF don't really seem to be doing much search and rescue here - more like ethnic cleansing and apartheid: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54823660 "The United Nations has rebuked Israel for carrying out what it said was the biggest demolition of Palestinian homes in the occupied West Bank for a decade. Some 73 people, including 41 children, were made homeless when their dwellings were knocked d…

1) offtopic 2) The Israeli military said the structures had been built illegally.

It is very much on topic. If they want to be seen as humanitarians they need to stop committing war crimes and other atrocities in their backyard.

Morality does not subscribe to some kind of arithmetic where doing good deeds can somehow cancel the evil that you also commit.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jkkorn »

hhmc wrote: post #104
jkkorn wrote: post #70

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Don't they do everything to avoid hitting civilians? My guess is that they do more to protect the average palestinian than meets the eye....definitely more than Hamas or Fatah Also, I'd take HRW with a grain of salt when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Even their founder has expressed concern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watc... . Might be interesting: https://www.jpost.com/m…

I'm not sure you can simulataneously accuse hrw of bias (wrt isreal-palestine conflict), but also link to the jerusalem post

Washington Post better? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/3...

They've been doing it for years. The odd ones are the one's who aren't reporting it.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by mustafa_pasi »

radycov wrote: post #98
Zhenya wrote: post #96

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They are not bombing people, they are warning them (and also calling and texting them) to get out so that thee are no/limited civilian casualties and only the infra is destroyed which is housing rockets etc

Sure, how about I drop a 30 second "door knock" before I blow your life to smithereens because I feel like your 10 story building might be hiding a few kalashnikovs? Feel free to evacuate to the few hundred meters of free space in the world's largest open air prison. The simple fact is: this is colonialist ethnic cleansing and the only reason it goes unchecked is because of historic Western guilt uncritically favouri…

> the only reason it goes unchecked is because of historic Western guilt uncritically favouring the Israeli state for geopolitical reasons.

That is not true. It is the US alone whose conscience is tarnished. If it wasn't for the US, I am sure the rest of the developed world would not stand for such injustice.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by AzzieElbab »

RobertoG wrote: post #92
Zhenya wrote: post #79

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Yes - war is bad. Israel is always ready for peace. I can link you to a list of all the offers that have been made for peace. Additionally, you do know that there is no IDF in Gaza and that Gaza shares a border also with Egypt (strangely they keep it closed). They are free to live there peacefully and grow their prosperity. Have you seen Hamas' work in Gaza: https://news.yahoo.com/gaza-city-blast-kills-1-091252256.ht…

>>"Israel is always ready for peace" That I doubt very much. In my opinion we are seeing a clear on going colonization effort. This is not about religion or race, but about land and the rest is a distraction. Because we are not in the eighteen century anymore, it can't be done old European style, so it has to be done boiling frog style with a lot of spending in public relations. The crude fact is that land is being t…

Have you observed any evidence that the other side is seeking peace?

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by pmyteh »

mustafa_pasi wrote: post #115
radycov wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, how about I drop a 30 second "door knock" before I blow your life to smithereens because I feel like your 10 story building might be hiding a few kalashnikovs? Feel free to evacuate to the few hundred meters of free space in the world's largest open air prison. The simple fact is: this is colonialist ethnic cleansing and the only reason it goes unchecked is because of historic Western guilt uncritically favouri…

> the only reason it goes unchecked is because of historic Western guilt uncritically favouring the Israeli state for geopolitical reasons. That is not true. It is the US alone whose conscience is tarnished. If it wasn't for the US, I am sure the rest of the developed world would not stand for such injustice.

Nope. The UK also has plenty of tarnished conscience (we were the mandate holder for Palestine immediately before the creation of Israel and played communities against each other, as we normally did in our colonies). The French also played their dishonourable part in carving up the middle east with us. Plenty of guilt to go around.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by krapp »

jkkorn wrote: post #112
SrslyJosh wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry that reality is crashing your propaganda party, dude. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it's all good ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ cool to critisize anything and anyone. It just comes off as a very different vibe when compared to other HN discussions. Everyone here is so smart and inquisitive, but when the issue is middle east the gang seems to take a shallow, dogmatic take on something they absolutely do not understand. For so many independent thinkers there's a lot of knee jerk group think

>but when the issue is middle east the gang seems to take a shallow, dogmatic take on something they absolutely do not understand. For so many independent thinkers there's a lot of knee jerk group think

And China. And American foreign policy. And anything related to or that even mentions sex, gender or race. And the media. And economics. And COVID. And RMS. This place is legendary for its aggressively ignorant and toxic hot takes on just about everything but technology[0], especially if it requires empathy, emotional reasoning or an understanding of mainstream society.

[0] With the possible exception of Javascript or the modern web in general, mention of either of which sometimes sends people into a frothing rage.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jkkorn »

radycov wrote: post #110
jkkorn wrote: post #105

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"Al Jazeera is a Qatari government-funded international Arabic news channel based in Doha" I don't think they've ever produced anything remotely truthful about the region. ever. That's why it's curious

When even AP wouldn't dare criticise Israel for destroying its building in Gaza, it's clear there's a need for a counter narrative to the one sided propaganda. And the one Jewish woman who dared to open her mouth was immediately fired: https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Emily-Wilder-Associa...

Oh but AP did criticise at first...but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-edit...

Going back to the AlJazeera aspect: Qatar funds Hamas (one source cites 400m USD in 2014) AND provides the "right media coverage" through AlJazeera.

From where I'm standing it doesn't look like there is one sided propaganda

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by AzzieElbab »

jkkorn wrote: post #112
SrslyJosh wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry that reality is crashing your propaganda party, dude. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it's all good ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ cool to critisize anything and anyone. It just comes off as a very different vibe when compared to other HN discussions. Everyone here is so smart and inquisitive, but when the issue is middle east the gang seems to take a shallow, dogmatic take on something they absolutely do not understand. For so many independent thinkers there's a lot of knee jerk group think

HN dogmas on Israel match exactly what I was taught in my soviet high-school history class 30+ years ago. Good stuff, highly entertaining nostalgia.
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