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Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by cik »

hn_talmudist wrote: post #56
cik wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than that. Part of it is army training, but a giant part of it is organizations like ZAKA ( https://zakaworld.org/ ) whose mission comes from our core religious beliefs. As Jews, we're ideally buried fully - meaning as many body parts, blood, whatever intact, or at least with the body. In situations where disasters occur, ZAKA helps triage, recover, identify, and even do DNA analysis as needed, to help make…

> There's a reason that their mantra is חסד של אמת It's simpler than you're making it out to be - "ḥesed shel emet" (true kindness) is based on the Talmudic idea that the truest kindness is that done for the dead, since they can't ever pay you back. Also ZAKA is not related to the IDF or this mission.

Of course - you cannot bury yourself. But, I'd argue that it's not the kindness translation of חסר but lovingkindness, more ברסלבish

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by cik »

alisonkisk wrote: post #57
cik wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than that. Part of it is army training, but a giant part of it is organizations like ZAKA ( https://zakaworld.org/ ) whose mission comes from our core religious beliefs. As Jews, we're ideally buried fully - meaning as many body parts, blood, whatever intact, or at least with the body. In situations where disasters occur, ZAKA helps triage, recover, identify, and even do DNA analysis as needed, to help make…

> Yes, in Hebrew lovingkindess is a concept that is different than "loving kindness". What's the difference? Also, lovingkindness is an English word , not Hebrew. Chesed shel emet is three Hebrew words.

Yes, this is easily splitting Talmudic hairs. In English lovingkindness is really loving-kindness, a form of kindness that is done from the place of love. But lovingkindness is the notion that love and kindness have equal weight.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by tguvot »

cik wrote: post #60
tguvot wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all respect to ZAKA, and I have a lot, they don't really have much to do with this unit. This unit is search and rescue (if possible). Zaka is "body (parts) collection"

Since when has ZAKA not trained with, and trained search and rescue? After basic, and initials there's are courses with ZAKA. ZAKA wasn't the provider of service, just of training.

Maybe they occasionally do operation training together in order to know how to work together at crisis, but it's first time that I hear that zaka trains IDF search&rescue. I googled for it, and the only thing that I found is that IDF trained zaka people.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by tguvot »

jgb1984 wrote: post #64

Great! During the week they're killing children and civilians in the land they stole, on the weekend they're making up with a citytrip to the US to do some good deeds. After that it's back to bulldozing houses and schools in Palestine.

It's different units. The one that is responsible for bulldozing is engineering forces. This one is search and rescue

/s

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jimmy2020 »

tguvot wrote: post #66
jgb1984 wrote: post #64

Great! During the week they're killing children and civilians in the land they stole, on the weekend they're making up with a citytrip to the US to do some good deeds. After that it's back to bulldozing houses and schools in Palestine.

It's different units. The one that is responsible for bulldozing is engineering forces. This one is search and rescue /s

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Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by cromka »

mym1990 wrote: post #26
beerandt wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say 81 victims out of 97. You're overthinking it. ETA: 81, not 80. >he knew precisely where each victim would be located. >He personally found 20. His team, he said, recovered 81 by the time the last member departed Surfside on July 11. Even the freaking byline reads: >The Israeli Defense Forces’ National Rescue Unit recovered 81 of the 97 victims from the Champlain Towers South condo collapse site in Surfside.

The quote is 'In all, the Israeli team found about 84% of the nearly 100 victims.' and the realization that they might mean that they found 84% of the body parts vs 84% of the people.

That would mean they would have to know the exact body mass of the 100 victims prior to their death and weighed each recovered piece of flesh. That's morbid and really just overthinking it.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by dutchy15 »

jimmy2020 wrote: post #62

It would be great if IDF did the same when it comes to Gaza: https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/27/gaza-apparent-war-crimes...

IDF offered help recently to Lebanon during the crisis. Lebanon refused.

You can guess how the response of Gaza will look like...

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by jkkorn »

jimmy2020 wrote: post #62

It would be great if IDF did the same when it comes to Gaza: https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/27/gaza-apparent-war-crimes...

Don't they do everything to avoid hitting civilians? My guess is that they do more to protect the average palestinian than meets the eye....definitely more than Hamas or Fatah

Also, I'd take HRW with a grain of salt when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Even their founder has expressed concern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watc....

Might be interesting: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/palestinians-accuse-hamas-...

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