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Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by nettdata » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:37 PM UTC

webfuel wrote: post #94

nettdata wrote: post #88

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Historically you could use OSX Server as a local update/patch server, and have other Mac's on the LAN use it instead of downloading the same stuff again. They say they're making Lion Server free and easily configured, and I'm hoping that they're integrating the App store components as well.

Unless I missed something in the presentation, Lion Server isn't free. It's a separate app that costs $50 https://www.apple.com/macosx/server/

Ahhh... I was just going by what was reported by someone at the keynote. Still, it's priced way cheaper than the previous versions, and I'd gladly pay the $50 for the convenience of a local patch/app server. (I have 5 macs in the house).

My biggest peeve is the download-only for the OS, as I have rather crappy internet access, and dread the thought of downloading a multi-GB update.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by danielrhodes » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:40 PM UTC

Newky wrote: post #109

I don't mean to be off topic, but I really feel, although this is an improvement on the price of Windows upgrade, I think that there is nothing in this release that would drive me off any Linux, particularly a rolling release distribution. I know that for certain fields, such as multimedia, apple offers a lot, but with new offerings such as Gnome 3, a mature KDE 4, and Ubuntu's unity, for the standard desktop user or…

No.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by chrisjsmith » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:40 PM UTC

mgkimsal wrote: post #106

chrisjsmith wrote: post #103

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There was so much bad PR, noone would bother. They tried to give corporate customers (select agreement sized ones) free copies and they said no.

They didn't try with me. They didn't try with any of my friends. I think they're trying with the wrong crowd. Interesting side thought here (at least to me). MS has traditionally done very well selling to the larger enterprise market. As the headcount in those orgs go down, will MS' influence drop? Newer people coming in will probably have come from smaller orgs where MS is less prevalent, and when there's overall fe…

They probably are - I agree. They should make personal licenses cheap and ubiquitous therefore creating mindset.

Most smaller orgs just buy machines and live with what is on them these days and only tech-focused companies seem to care what they run. The entire NHS (UK's free health system) seems to run on Windows 2000 and XP quite happily still because that's what the machines came with at the time.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by saturdaysaint » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:41 PM UTC

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #97

Really wish this was coming out sooner. I plan on getting the Samsung Chromebook on the 16th, which will be my primary "fun" computer. I'll keep my Macbook for development, but I'm not sure I'll use it in the way that these consumer features are meant for. If it was coming on now I'd go ahead and get it just to play around with. Now I don't know.

"Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, or Xeon processor to run Lion. Find out if your current Mac has one of these processors by clicking the Apple icon at the top left of your screen, then choosing About This Mac."

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by Newky » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:44 PM UTC

danielrhodes wrote: post #112

Newky wrote: post #109

I don't mean to be off topic, but I really feel, although this is an improvement on the price of Windows upgrade, I think that there is nothing in this release that would drive me off any Linux, particularly a rolling release distribution. I know that for certain fields, such as multimedia, apple offers a lot, but with new offerings such as Gnome 3, a mature KDE 4, and Ubuntu's unity, for the standard desktop user or…

No.

Sorry that you didn't find that relevant.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by RyanMcGreal » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:49 PM UTC

code_duck wrote: post #58

dsplittgerber wrote: post #53

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I accidentally clicked twice and two identical comments were created. I deleted one. Alas, the other seems to have gone rougue as well.

This has happened to me before - I triple posted, then deleted two comments to find that the remaining one was marked dead. I think HN has duplicate detection and dupes get marked dead automatically, so one should keep this in mind when manually deleting duplicate posts. It's good to wait a few minutes and see whether it's already taken care of.

> I think HN has duplicate detection

Seems like a great time for that to kick in is just before posting the second comment.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by vault_ » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:52 PM UTC

There's a complete list of new features here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html

To address the concerns of re-installation, they're including a partition with the system install disk on it (which can get to Time Machine or whatever else you need).

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by AllenKids » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:55 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #104

bugsy wrote: post #80

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As a former registered user of Kaleidoscope, I have to say it destabilized your system because of the necessary system hacks. What you say about Apple stealing good designs is definitely true ( http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ ), but Kaleidoscope had other issues.

> http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ That's not a case of Apple stealing good design though, that's a case of them buying an Audion competitor. I'm sure Marco would have been far happier if Apple had bought instapaper. Or TapTapTap if Apple had bought Camera+. Hell, that would have been rather cool, it could have given third-party developers an interesting incentive: build something Apple will want to integrate…

The irony is, if Marco opt for acquiring some key patents. Apple most likely would extend an offer. There are ample precedents.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by AllenKids » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 8:58 PM UTC

randallsquared wrote: post #81

erikpukinskis wrote: post #75

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Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? I know, it'll be like the great Safari massacre all over again, where Apple singlehandedly drove Firefox and Chrome to stop releasing Mac versions. Not to mention the Day When Email Apps' Blood Ran Like Water In The Streets, when everyone stopped using Exchange and Gmail because Apple released Mail.app. And don't even talk…

Cherrypick, much? :) It seems that all your examples are cases where interoperability with or working like the Windows version is the primary required feature. For years after iTunes, there was no reasonable (GUI) alternative for MP3 playing, at the same time that iTunes was awful if you had a large, diverse collection without ID3 tags.

If you have a large diverse collection without ID3 tags you are pretty much fucked anyway. folders is extremely limited in sorting music which leaves you what? playlists?

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by r00fus » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 9:06 PM UTC

matthew-wegner wrote: post #63

thomasgerbe wrote: post #55

Great news. Now if only they just did away with the optical drives on MBP's. I have used mine about... twice in three years since owning my current laptop.

You can put another HD (or SSD) in your optical bay: http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/ Cheap eBay brackets are ~$20 and accomplish the same thing. There are a couple of caveats--here's everything you need to know: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2493938

Great summary. Last year I did the same (MBP2010) and I outlined all the steps here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=10814085&post...