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Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by michaelmrose »

Nursie wrote: post #68
michaelmrose wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't we benefit from moving the goalposts its how literally every issue works. Only people who don't want to win settle for "reasonable goals" because in actuality the other side will happily shift the goal posts the other way until they have a decidedly one sided situation. The content industry would prefer the all content is charged per view based on who is in the same room as the screen with differentiated costs…

This week? That story's from 2003!

I could have been clearer but the url DOES include the date therein. I just wanted to illustrate the absurdity of the content industries positions which are regularly full of complete nonsense. I think Hatch's positions might just be peak crazy though.

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #105
barrkel wrote: post #101

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Eh. We have subscriptions to 4 different video streaming services, and still sometimes download TV shows directly to ensure we can watch them e.g. on holiday in a different country without VPN backflips. Even more so if they have ad breaks (e.g. GoT on NowTV in UK); I don't mind paying, but I do mind ads. Not to mention higher quality due to bandwidth dropping lower at peak times, if the service can't keep up (I'm lo…

What you are doing isn't piracy though. You've paid for the content and are working around crappy DRM. That issue is entirely separate from the piracy itself. Pirates love to conflate their activity with the noble pursuit of freeing the world from DRM. Maybe that is true for the people on the 'scene', but the countless millions of people torrenting their releases are doing it because they simply want something for fr…

What he is doing is legally considered piracy.

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Post by tehwebguy »

uryga wrote: post #50
tehwebguy wrote: post #25

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I'm not blaming you as you aren't the one to set them in the first place, but the goal posts keep moving! Two decades post-Napster we finally have what everyone wanted all along: an easy, cheap way to watch almost every movie without leaving the couch / listen to almost every song from almost any device. But now it's not good enough unless it's literally every piece of content from a single origin 0_0

> but now it's not good enough unless it's literally every piece of content from a single origin subscribing to 3 different streaming services has no benefit for the customer. there's no reason to pay for essentially the same thing 3 times just because some studios decided to have fun with movie rights

That's totally fair, and the other replies mentioning how movies are actually not all that available right now make a valid point.

This year I've been signing up for whatever has the movie I want to watch at the moment and then terminating right away so I'm never really subscribed to anything and have a time constraint to max out the other content on the service over the next 30 days.

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

pgrote wrote: post #27
GiorgioG wrote: post #19

It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.

I think that problem has been solved for the most part. https://reelgood.com/ and other services are excellent for it. To me, the real issue is finding movies/tv shows where you cannot buy or rent them. Amazingly, it is still an issue in this world. I would love to see The Bob Mathias Story from 1954. It was created by Allied Artists that has been bought and sold a few times ending up at ViacomCBS. Through many weeks…

Not available in my region lmao nothing is solved. Region locking is deeper than just what a single service can do.

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Post by d0gbread »

POTUS wrote: post #26
GiorgioG wrote: post #19

It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.

Let's not kid ourselves, finding a torrent for a movie or looking up which service it streams on are both the same level of easy.[] The issue is you have to subscribe to all those different services, which is what most people are probably not willing to do. Now if a show or movie doesn't stream in your region or isn't otherwise easily online accessible, that's a different story. In that case it's on the industry to d…

I would have agreed with you a few months ago but pirating is moving towards the easier path again. Google had done a pretty good job of letting you know what service something was on, but now something on, say, Amazon Prime Video but require a sub-subscription to whatever this IMDB nonsense is.

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

shuntress wrote: post #59

What would people consider the ideal realistic system? Something fair to content creators, distributors, and consumers. I, personally, would like to be able to purchase one time "unlimited" licenses (like buying a book or a DVD) that can be easily validated by the publisher's web API and enable non-subscription content to be served by netflix/hulu/amazon/etc. To enable (for example) streaming an amazon show through n…

I buy the file, the file gets downloaded to my computer. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Post by michaelmrose »

jshaqaw wrote: post #65
michaelmrose wrote: post #56

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Stealing has a specific meaning. It is nonsensical to describe failure to follow copyright law stealing. Nobody calls exceeding the speed limit stealing velocity nor jaywalking "stealing the street". Rich people convinced other rich people that it would be a good idea to let rich people decide which bits I'm allowed to transmit to you in order to maximize the revenue of people who for the most part are in the busines…

I am a tv producer. Stealing is if I invest years of blood, sweat, and capital into a project with the paradigm that in a free market exchange you can pay in some form to view it or not and happily find some alternative way to enjoy your time. Nobody is forcing you to watch what I make and you won’t die if you don’t watch it. The creators like myself you valorize don’t exist in a vacuum. If distributors who finance t…

TV budgets are higher than ever even while piracy is easier than ever before. The only thing that could possibly kill tv would be jacking up the costs enough to keep users from enjoying them legally. I myself pay for hulu and netflix and I figure that contributes sufficiently to the shows I enjoy.

It really doesn't matter what I do. My employment is an arrangement for services rendered same as yours. At the absurd limit where nobody paid for anything and absolutely everyone pirated everything nobody would be forcing you to work for free. Your employer in that scenario would have totally and wholly failed to secure an arrangement with customers to voluntarily transfer their money to your employers pockets and thus justify their existence. You wouldn't work for free you would just do something else.

In reality if its really easy to pay and even mildly frustrating to pirate it seems like a reasonable balance of paying customers and freeloaders is apt to make you all healthy and wealthy.

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Post by listenallyall »

PeterisP wrote: post #85
listenallyall wrote: post #80

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What if you sneak into a movie theater to sit in a near-empty auditorium for a 2pm Tuesday matinee. Nobody has "lost" anything, as in your cookie jar example. Does that make it OK?

I hope that you would agree that if you sneak into a movie theater to sit in a near-empty auditorium for a 2pm Tuesday matinee, then it's something very, very different from theft? Like, people can argue if it's as bad as theft or not as bad than theft (I would definitely argue that it's substantially less bad than theft, but I know that some people would disagree), but no matter what, such an action is not theft, it…

"something else?" You can't come up with an alternative name for it because it is, in fact, theft of services.

Replace "movie theater" with Disneyland. Is it not theft to sneak into Disneyland without purchasing a ticket, even on its slowest day of the year?

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Post by jorams »

shuntress wrote: post #59

What would people consider the ideal realistic system? Something fair to content creators, distributors, and consumers. I, personally, would like to be able to purchase one time "unlimited" licenses (like buying a book or a DVD) that can be easily validated by the publisher's web API and enable non-subscription content to be served by netflix/hulu/amazon/etc. To enable (for example) streaming an amazon show through n…

The fundamental thing to realize is that there are two kinds of people: those who want to have access to everything and those who want to own things. Most people are probably somewhere between the two.

You really don't need to get very creative, as the solutions already exist for music: Bandcamp and Spotify. Streaming services provide access to all music, as long as you keep paying. Bandcamp is pretty much perfect for buying the music you want.

I'm mostly in the second group, and if everything would be on Bandcamp I would end up buying a lot more. Top quality, hassle-free, DRM-free, for a reasonable price, with generous previews. Payment unlocks a download link, and an optional account allows you to maintain a collection. Everybody wins.

Music not being on Bandcamp is the easiest way to make me reconsider a purchase, and only offering it through streaming services is the easiest way to unlock piracy as a potential option in that consideration.

Other people like a streaming service, and both can and should exist in the same universe.

You'll never kill piracy, but it's very easy to be better. Just give the customer what they want. It doesn't have to be free. The industry should stop wasting so much time and money fighting illegal solutions to a problem they actively keep causing. It is much simpler and cheaper to just fix it.

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Post by Izkata »

lostlogin wrote: post #106
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #90

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Likewise, if I need to change my public ip to access a service it's far easier to just download the content and serve it myself.

!? Why would you need to change your public IP? Is the how cable works in the US?

Probably referring to when something is available only in certain markets due to geoblocking. For example, one of the recent Star Treks was distributed in the US by CBS, and outside the US by Netflix.

Also they didn't say they're in the US.

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