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Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by barrkel »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #89
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #3

Awesome. Now we can see if the movie and media industry experience a correlated rise in profits and settle this question whether "piracy" damages these industries once and for all.

At what point have people become so entitled that they think they should be able to consume all the content they want for free because they are slightly inconvenienced by price or availability. If you don't feel like paying, don't watch it. If you don't feel like finding out what service a show is on, don't watch it. If you don't like the fact that you need to subscribe to multiple streaming networks to watch the sho…

Eh. We have subscriptions to 4 different video streaming services, and still sometimes download TV shows directly to ensure we can watch them e.g. on holiday in a different country without VPN backflips. Even more so if they have ad breaks (e.g. GoT on NowTV in UK); I don't mind paying, but I do mind ads. Not to mention higher quality due to bandwidth dropping lower at peak times, if the service can't keep up (I'm looking at you, NowTV).

I've bought Thief 2 & 3 and bunch of other games twice now, on original CDs / DVD and on Steam or GOG, and used No-CD cracks for the originals for convenience.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by bthazos »

shuntress wrote: post #59

What would people consider the ideal realistic system? Something fair to content creators, distributors, and consumers. I, personally, would like to be able to purchase one time "unlimited" licenses (like buying a book or a DVD) that can be easily validated by the publisher's web API and enable non-subscription content to be served by netflix/hulu/amazon/etc. To enable (for example) streaming an amazon show through n…

Universal media access should be a thing. The government could demand access to entire digital catalogs, compensate and resell to front-end streaming providers.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by listenallyall »

discardable_dan wrote: post #97
listenallyall wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you sneak into a movie theater to sit in a near-empty auditorium for a 2pm Tuesday matinee. Nobody has "lost" anything, as in your cookie jar example. Does that make it OK?

I have actually long-wondered how theaters would fare if they pro-rated seats based on demand. Charging just a dollar or two for a Tuesday matinee seat otherwise expected to be empty would certainly drive ticket sales, and with them concession sales. What does the theater have to lose?

Totally agree that matinee prices are not low enough to match demand. I defended the MoviePass business model vigorously, see my comment history. (with that said, they do have to reimburse studios for each ticket sold, so the theater doesn't have full discretion)

But that's totally irrelevant to this conversation. If the theater is charging $5, or $2, you still can't just sneak in the back door without paying.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by hesdeadjim »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #98
hesdeadjim wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My argument is far more cogent than any argument in favor of piracy. I can boil down every one one of those arguments, no matter how erudite, to "if I can get something for free, why shouldn't I".

First, your edits >Regardless, ask yourself how you'd feel if the film, video game, or book you pirate was made by a close friend. Would you tell them you pirated their product? And if so, why? Yes. They didn't create it to brag about how good their ratings were, and pirating their content doesn't mean they aren't getting anything from me, as you yourself mentioned. >As a video game creator whose digital games cost n…

All you've managed to do is further reinforce the mental gymnastics necessary to justify getting something for nothing. :shrug:

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by hesdeadjim »

barrkel wrote: post #101
hesdeadjim wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what point have people become so entitled that they think they should be able to consume all the content they want for free because they are slightly inconvenienced by price or availability. If you don't feel like paying, don't watch it. If you don't feel like finding out what service a show is on, don't watch it. If you don't like the fact that you need to subscribe to multiple streaming networks to watch the sho…

Eh. We have subscriptions to 4 different video streaming services, and still sometimes download TV shows directly to ensure we can watch them e.g. on holiday in a different country without VPN backflips. Even more so if they have ad breaks (e.g. GoT on NowTV in UK); I don't mind paying, but I do mind ads. Not to mention higher quality due to bandwidth dropping lower at peak times, if the service can't keep up (I'm lo…

What you are doing isn't piracy though. You've paid for the content and are working around crappy DRM. That issue is entirely separate from the piracy itself.

Pirates love to conflate their activity with the noble pursuit of freeing the world from DRM. Maybe that is true for the people on the 'scene', but the countless millions of people torrenting their releases are doing it because they simply want something for free. Your actions are very much the exception.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by lostlogin »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #90
sandworm101 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit to torrenting things I have total access to because the particular material that I already pay good money for doesn't run on the device on which I wish to view the paid for content. If your service doesn't stream to linux devices, and your customer is stuck in an airport hotel with only his linux laptop, either stop complaining about torrents or fix your service.

Likewise, if I need to change my public ip to access a service it's far easier to just download the content and serve it myself.

!?

Why would you need to change your public IP? Is the how cable works in the US?

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by Rapzid »

pwinnski wrote: post #54
fortran77 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how all the people here, who all want to be the next Bill Gates and make a ton of money selling software, services, or Juiceros, think it's "ok" to steal content. (The same content that they probably deny they watch because it's not hip enough.)

Bill Gates is your example? One of the worst examples you could have chosen, because he both engaged in piracy and was one of the top "victims" of piracy all the while he was becoming the richest man in the country.

And didn't MS at the time prefer people to pirate Windows and Office over not using it because it contributed to the ubiquitousness of those products?

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by boomboomsubban »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #104
boomboomsubban wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, your edits >Regardless, ask yourself how you'd feel if the film, video game, or book you pirate was made by a close friend. Would you tell them you pirated their product? And if so, why? Yes. They didn't create it to brag about how good their ratings were, and pirating their content doesn't mean they aren't getting anything from me, as you yourself mentioned. >As a video game creator whose digital games cost n…

All you've managed to do is further reinforce the mental gymnastics necessary to justify getting something for nothing. :shrug:

Even you say that pirates aren't contributing nothing, I don't know why you think I need to use gymnastics to justify something.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by tresCommatoso »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #89
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #3

Awesome. Now we can see if the movie and media industry experience a correlated rise in profits and settle this question whether "piracy" damages these industries once and for all.

At what point have people become so entitled that they think they should be able to consume all the content they want for free because they are slightly inconvenienced by price or availability. If you don't feel like paying, don't watch it. If you don't feel like finding out what service a show is on, don't watch it. If you don't like the fact that you need to subscribe to multiple streaming networks to watch the sho…

>I enjoy finding out how many people consider media consumption a fundamental human right instead of the luxury good that it is.

Panem and Circensis.. Everyone considers food to be a fundamental human right- but entertainment, that is a great stabilizer of society and actually great for the environment. It costs nothing to copy it, and allows defacto to drug the masses with electric dreams.

One of the reasons, many nations actively sabotage anti-piracy efforts, while claiming to support them. Citizen couch potatoe is the dream citizen of this lean, ecologic future tomorrow.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by michaelmrose »

echlebek wrote: post #82
jshaqaw wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a tv producer. Stealing is if I invest years of blood, sweat, and capital into a project with the paradigm that in a free market exchange you can pay in some form to view it or not and happily find some alternative way to enjoy your time. Nobody is forcing you to watch what I make and you won’t die if you don’t watch it. The creators like myself you valorize don’t exist in a vacuum. If distributors who finance t…

You have a good argument about why copyright violation is wrong, but you didn't respond to GP's arguments about why it is not theft.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theft

Definition of theft

1a : the act of stealing specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it

Much like violating copyright isn't similar in nature to commandeering ships on the high seas its not much similar to the taking of real property in that the owner isn't deprived of anything and in fact is wholly unaffected and absent from the transaction.

Actual property is the necessary resolution of the inherently rivalrous nature of property while Copyright is mandate that I limit what data I transmit to another party so as to avoid transmitting any patterns of bits that could reasonably be argued to be owned by any entity on the premise that this limitation will create an intangible good that can serve as an incentive to encourage creators to trade in it.

If congress contrary to the rest of our interests grants you sole ownership of the color red I wont be a thief if I opt to paint my house that color.

Really this is a tired subject having been debated endlessly since the 70s. Anyone still using it is apt to have staked out their position and decided they care more about the emotional import of the word thief than reasoned argument.

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