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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

This appears to be coordinated election interference from tech monopolists.

Someone doesn’t understand the terms “election interference” or “monopolists”.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

The public square is owned by private companies and they're enforcing anti-first amendment principles. One can't even argue that these banned people can move to another platform if they're all coordinating. Leftist extremists are effecting public banishment of their rightist extremist opponents. It wouldn't be as bad if leftist extremists were getting banned at the same time. The problem is that leftist extremists ha…

Clutch them pearls guuuurl.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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There's a problem here that is too rarely discussed:

When we do finally achieve substantial decentralized agency for ideas and media, which cannot be censored, it will be tainted in its roots by the fact that these jackasses are the people who will flock to it first.

How can we build a censorship-resistant society where the most creative, peaceful, unifying ideas are the basis of our dialogue?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

I have an easy answer to that: Youtube has more users than there are people in US. If you had a service that was used by whole of US, shouldn't that be public? Imagine there was a single food stall in the entire US. Should you allow food stall which is really controlled by a few share holders and executives at the top to decide whom to feed or not? Again, the problem is not huge platforms banning toxic people. It's t…

The decision to nationalize/socialize something is always political. There is no intrinsic public aspect to anything.

If there were only one food stall in the entire US, does that mean people aren't allowed to hunt, forage or grow their own food, or trade for it from someone who does? If so, then you've got a totally different problem on your hands: regulatory capture. If not, then refusing service to a person is very far from killing them.

Edit: grammar

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

There is a pretty straight line from 'free market economics' (aka exploiting people who are already down) to white nationalism (aka shitting on people that are not 'white' enough). No need to be surprised.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.

That is an increasingly cynical view to expose given that the people who decide to do that just get blacklisted by the financial elite. https://twitter.com/TheEbonyMaw/status/1277120076186112000 , https://reclaimthenet.org/gab-andrew-torba-visa-blacklisted-...

Thus making the case why alternative financial systems outside their power are essential.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

This sort of multiple-headlines-in-one-day undermines the argument for bans. In the Alex Jones case in particular it appeared he was being selected for a broader community image rather than actions on specific platforms.

Private companies can't (mechanically, not legally) determine who has a moral right to speak. If we had a magic method for figuring that out it'd have been a feature of politics since at least the Roman Empire. Instead we ended up with things like Robert's Rules of Order where the process is controlled as best as possible to let wildly contradictory opinions get aired.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

google legal frequently shares information with legal departments from other tech companies when it comes to moderating/acting upon content/users. in fact, the big tech companies' legal teams share information pretty regularly as they all deal with the same legal hurdles e.g. users from north korea, cuba, ITAR, etc. it wouldn't surprise me if there was an informal discussion and a decision by google led others to als…

Just companies taking orders.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

> movement for racial equality

It stopped being that within a couple of days of starting and was co-opted to advance other goals. It's for "racial equality" only inasmuch as no sane person will argue _against_ racial equality. Same as "antifascism" is also _nominally_ against something that's unquestionably bad, so no sane person will disagree with the core premise. In practice, it's a militant Stalinist organization, same as it was since inception in Weimar Germany.

But in for a penny in for a pound, so we're now firing people for free speech, toppling statues, doxxing, censoring, organizing "autonomous zones" with weekly shootings, looting, and renaming Yale and Stanford. And by "we" I mean upper middle class young whites, who were told they're racist just by virtue of being born with a little less melanin, and there's nothing they can do about their racism short of lifetime of repentance. This being largely a non-theistic religion, this is how they are trying to atone.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Keep in mind that YT had been funneling viewers towards extreme, bizarre, fringe videos for a long time - including quite a bit of hateful content. This is something of their own doing.

I'm not sure what you are watching, but I have never been funneled to anything even remotely like that. YT sends you videos based on your watch history. If you watch hate videos to see what kind of stuff people are saying then you should delete them from your history to avoid YT finding you more.

Multiple experiments have demonstrated that as you follow recommendations it drives you more and more towards extreme content. If you don’t follow recs it obviously has no “drive” to keep you on as you’re not following the journey. Basically the recommendations system always tries to drive you towards slightly more “engaging” content.

Zeynep Tufekci, amongst others, published about it back in 2018.

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