Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the reputable journalists at BuzzFeed News , which has produced two Pulitzer Prize finalists so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed_News
I think you mean activists rather than journalists.
Please don't.
Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
#112Not related to the Iran-US conflict, it seems.
Could be e.g. the Iranian's shooting iit down due to hairline trigger Iranian defense (or otherwise a mistake identifying the civilian aircraft as enemy aircraft) - in this case, I would say it IS related to the conflict, even though it is entirely on one side.
It would kind of make sense as after launching missiles on US bases they would have put their air defense systems on high alert causing someone to panic and assuming a retaliatory attack.
Similar thing happened in Feb 2019 when Indian Air Force shot down their own helicopter during a high alert scenario after attacking targets in Pakistan day before.
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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, that's a quick investigation by the Ukrainian embassy /s
Well the question is, what is the motive behind releasing this statement? It doesn't really benefit Ukraine to shit on Boeing so rashly and publicly because they're still beholden to US support. The calculation behind the messaging is very curious. Did Iran request Ukraine to release this statement? Why would Ukraine oblige them. Did the US ask Ukraine because maybe Iranians will attribute the crash to US hostility l…
> The calculation behind the messaging is very curious
Social media is already promoting baseless conspiracy theories.
Traditionally, one gathered facts and then communicated. But the world isn't waiting. And those rumors can have real consequences. So coming out with incomplete, preliminary information is better than giving the idiots a monopoly on messaging.
Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many new 737's drop down from the sky in a fireball with pieces falling away? All of this without pilot reporting any issues. Things to consider: 1. Iran launched an attack on US bases, their AA forces were on alert 2. Flight was delayed for over an hour, this could potentially appear as an unknown aircraft to an on edge AA crew (if they are operating the missiles each day, they know the routine flights) 3. 737s…
> 737s don't fall out from the sky in a fireball You can make this same argument every time a flaw in an airplane is found for the first time. "The 737 MAX doesn't just dive itself into the ocean."
True, but when you take everything else in the consideration you can guesstimate the cause.
Right now, looking at the wreckage field it looks like it completely fall apart mid air. Lot of wreckage seems to have shrapnel damage of roughly the same size.
Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
#116Does anyone remember how much time it took to nail down the cause of MH17 crash? If memory serves me right, during the MH17 shoot down over Ukraine it was established quite early that it was a work of a surface to air missile launched by rebels. If Iran did really shoot down the plane by mistake, can they cover it up by not giving access to the debris?
Extremely unlikely. With the amount of surveillance I imagine the world is directing towards Iran (think sattelites and radars), I find it hard to believe the current US administration wouldn't jump to take that chance to declare war against Iran.
Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
#117Purported photos of the remains of the aircraft: https://www.depo.ua/ukr/life/zyavilis-foto-z-mistsya-aviakat... Is that shrapnel damage to the wing?
Given the official reports of a (presumably catastrophic) engine failure, that wouldn't be terribly surprising.
Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
#118A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…
Since this thread is mostly speculation, might as well go all in:
Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board
#119Better article: https://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0
Thanks for this. Reporting seems to have been pretty bad so far.
I noticed that the Associated Press (and news stories derived from AP) are reporting on the age of Iran's commercial fleet, as though that has anything to do with a plane belonging to a Ukrainian airline.
> Iran’s commercial passenger aircraft fleet has aged, with air accidents occurring regularly for domestic carriers in recent years, resulting in hundreds of casualties.