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Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by throw51319 »

resters wrote: post #92
throw51319 wrote: post #49

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China pollutes more than the US. Also anybody can see that they are gearing up for a conflict to obtain hegemony. They are the ones posturing for inevitable conflict... just so they can gain more power over the world. Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh?

> China pollutes more than the US. The US outsources pollution to China by outsourcing manufacturing of things that US environmental laws make extra costly to manufacture in the US. Then out of the other side of its mouth the US criticizes China for being a polluter. Also, accounts of US pollution do not consider the pollution caused by US wars and occupations, which are the single most polluting thing ever done by m…

The pollution thing I understand, and the worst part about the US system is it allows the greedy psychopaths at the strings of large multinationals to go unchecked.

How is posturing to take over the peaceful island of Taiwan a protective act? How is allowing NK to blackmail the world with nukes good?

These countries you listed... many would be in perpetual civil war for a century or be in the grips of autocratic strongmen if the US didn't go in? So people like you don't want the US to act, and then if we pull out or don't act you say "where is the good in the world?"

Most of these countries have achilles heels in having a valuable resource that can fall into a few hands easily. The middle east countries are built on oil. Colombia drugs. Other central american countries, trafficking. The Phillipines isn' that bad?

So you say you don't want the US to interfere, and then you say they interfered too late in WW2? You seem more like a US hater than a realist.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by miles »

dfxm12 wrote: post #102
mattmanser wrote: post #64

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South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that. No, not always. They sometimes do that. Calling vegetarians pussies [0] is not speaking truth to power. It's punching down. South Park's approach is more the "try to piss off everyone" approach, which while funny, is a bad way to find your moral compass. 0 - https://www.yo…

No need to take anything South Park does personally; they do a great job of making fun of just about everyone ("Team America" perhaps being a prime example).

The "vegetarians are weak" meme will slowly die as more amateur and professional athletes (including MMA champions, Olympians, and even the guy who coined "You hit like a vegetarian") jump on the plant-based wagon:

https://gamechangersmovie.com/#trailer

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by dfxm12 »

miles wrote: post #112
dfxm12 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that. No, not always. They sometimes do that. Calling vegetarians pussies [0] is not speaking truth to power. It's punching down. South Park's approach is more the "try to piss off everyone" approach, which while funny, is a bad way to find your moral compass. 0 - https://www.yo…

No need to take anything South Park does personally; they do a great job of making fun of just about everyone ("Team America" perhaps being a prime example). The "vegetarians are weak" meme will slowly die as more amateur and professional athletes (including MMA champions, Olympians, and even the guy who coined "You hit like a vegetarian") jump on the plant-based wagon: https://gamechangersmovie.com/#trailer

I don't know why you think I'm taking anything personally. I'm certainly not a vegetarian. That was the first example of South Park punching down I thought of.

Like I said, South Park does make fun of everyone. That's explicitly not always speaking truth to power, like the parent poster is claiming. And I agree with the grandparent post that we shouldn't look to South Park as a moral compass.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by triceratops »

briandear wrote: post #88
davvolun wrote: post #71

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You had me until "cancel culture" Exactly how many irreverent comedians who achieved significant success and are not really accountable to anyone, telling it like it is, have been cancelled by the cancel culture? Cosby, TJ Miller, Louis CK, Jeffrey Tambor, James Franco, ...? A good list of people who did morally reprehensible things of varying degrees, from illegal to merely opening their employers to civil liability…

Roseanne Barr. Had her ABC show cancelled over a tweet, yet ABC-owned ESPN hired Keith Olbermann. Multiple examples of someone posting vile stuff on a blog or twitter and being unscathed (Joy Reid is one quick example,) but Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump . Another example is Shane Gillis — cancelled because of something he said, not any specific action. Getting cancelled for sexually abus…

> Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump

This is false. The show got cancelled because of tweets by Barr that were seen as racist.[1] She was already known as a Trump supporter for 2 years before her show was revived[2][3] so that could not possibly have been a factor in her firing.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Valerie_Jarrett_...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Reality_televisi...

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Support_for_Dona...

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by redwall_hp »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #26
unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

That was the whole point of the episode. Has China never heard of Barbara Streisand?

Or mecha Barbara Streissand...

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by swebs »

simonask wrote: post #43
odabaxok wrote: post #23

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It is not like it is censored in Sweden, it's just someone holds the distribution rights in Sweden for South Park. So, they cannot show it to you on their website. So, there is no irony here, it's copyright issue, not censorship issue.

It is at least pretty interesting that the end result of repressive censorship and "free" market capitalism seems to be the same: limitations on what you can see or hear. To the average human, it doesn't really matter if it is the state that prevents you from seeing something or the forces of market capitalism. You have to do something illegal to see it either way, and you will be punished if discovered.

Copyright law is the antithesis of a free market. We participate in a fairly regulated market. I'm not advocating for a free market, but blaming this on the non-existent free market is just targeting the blame in the wrong direction.

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Post by jerf »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #105
joelx wrote: post #82

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South Park is 100% right. We need to back them in their fight against a murderous totalitarian dictatorship holding millions of people in concentration camps. We might like the cheap goods coming from China, but remember they come from people who are forced to work at 7 days a week 14 hours a day for nearly no pay. Boycott the NBA and Blizzard and anyone else who won't start standing up for democracy.

Being the weaker party in a negotiation is a new role for US, we'll get used to it...

Well, one of the developments of the last six months has been to put a lot of pinpricks in the idea that China is an inevitably rising world superpower that will inevitably supplant the US in the near future. I wouldn't say that's off the table entirely, but it's looking a lot more evitable.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by undersuit »

thrower123 wrote: post #21
unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

China right now is national socialism like Hitler could only dream of implementing. It is eerie how directly parallel developments are, and how little this is remarked.

Hitler implemented "National Socialism." Hitler may try to argue that it is 'national socialism', but all fascists will lie to your face if it can empower them.

>The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism"

The Nazis got to define National Socialism as they liked, even if the meaning drifted slightly from what you could consider a national socialist ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

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Post by kentrado »

DuskStar wrote: post #85
kentrado wrote: post #53

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If the workers can't control the means of production, it is not socialism. Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. What China has done is replace the authoritarian bourgeois with an authoritarian government. Just because North Korea's name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea doesn't mean it is democratic. Naming stuff their opposite doesn't make it so, but I'll admit it has been pretty effective for…

I'm confused - are you trying to say that the Nazis weren't socialist and so can't be compared to China, or that China isn't socialist and so can't be compared to the Nazis? Or just that we shouldn't use the word "socialism" in conjunction with either, despite that being the name of one of the groups in question?

Would you use the word democratic to describe North Korea, despite that being the name of the country?
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