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Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by iliketosleep »

unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

> A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

The West was fooled by China playing softies? No, you're being far too kind. It's more like the West willfully turning a blind eye and selling out due to greed. This is what you get when capitalism is pushed to the extreme - "values" diminish until you're left with only "value in dollars". China understood this, and western governments/corporations played ball.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by Cyclopentane »

odabaxok wrote: post #23
dmitriid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The restrictions are weird. The link you posted isn't available from Sweden. The irony of anti-censorship episode being only available in select countries...

It is not like it is censored in Sweden, it's just someone holds the distribution rights in Sweden for South Park. So, they cannot show it to you on their website. So, there is no irony here, it's copyright issue, not censorship issue.

Copyright and censorship are not mutually exclusive.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by simonask »

odabaxok wrote: post #23
dmitriid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The restrictions are weird. The link you posted isn't available from Sweden. The irony of anti-censorship episode being only available in select countries...

It is not like it is censored in Sweden, it's just someone holds the distribution rights in Sweden for South Park. So, they cannot show it to you on their website. So, there is no irony here, it's copyright issue, not censorship issue.

It is at least pretty interesting that the end result of repressive censorship and "free" market capitalism seems to be the same: limitations on what you can see or hear.

To the average human, it doesn't really matter if it is the state that prevents you from seeing something or the forces of market capitalism. You have to do something illegal to see it either way, and you will be punished if discovered.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by i_am_proteus »

simonask wrote: post #43
odabaxok wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not like it is censored in Sweden, it's just someone holds the distribution rights in Sweden for South Park. So, they cannot show it to you on their website. So, there is no irony here, it's copyright issue, not censorship issue.

It is at least pretty interesting that the end result of repressive censorship and "free" market capitalism seems to be the same: limitations on what you can see or hear. To the average human, it doesn't really matter if it is the state that prevents you from seeing something or the forces of market capitalism. You have to do something illegal to see it either way, and you will be punished if discovered.

The difference is that in capitalism you can pay the owner to see it. Most of the people who are blocked from one source by copyright probably have it available on a paid streaming service.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by jdjdjjsjs »

iliketosleep wrote: post #41
unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

> A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness. The West was fooled by China playing softies? No, you're being far too kind. It's more like the West willfully turning a blind eye and selling out due to greed. This is what you get when capitalism is pushed to the extreme - "values" diminish unt…

Except the reality is the "west" has gotten much richer as well.

Trade with China has been a huge win win. Quality of life in the "West" is significantly greater thanks to trade with China.

The problem is that the "West" took the vast majority of the benefits it gained from that trade and concentrated it in the hands of a few hundred people. The destruction of labour unions and the taxation regime has crushed the lower classes, not trade with China.

Also, for all the issues with China, it's still a significantly better country than it was before Nixon visited China.

Finally, the "West" hasn't been fooled by China for at least a decade. In fact, the US spearheaded a massive effort to resolve the China problem through the TPP which would have been an extremely effective way of getting China to open up (by providing companies who are currently dependent on China alternatives amongst China's neighbors but this time with an agreed upon IP protection regime which would have prevented Vietnam, say, from becoming China 2.0.

If anything, the current haphazard tariff regime has been far more beneficial to the Chinese Leader for Life by creating an us vs them narrative which has pretty much eliminated the chances of any domestic pressure.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by matvore »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #20
VvR-Ox wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they are not the same warmongerers as the USA. Their tactics to use the legit ways of business to gain more power is really smart compared to many western countries who just invade others with brute force, military and bombs. China is a f*ed up country concerning human rights etc. but in the end we could really use a mix of the best ideas from both worlds. I'm afraid the world will go on like it does because…

>At least they are not the same warmongerers as the USA Yes, it is so much better that they conduct their business of organ harvesting domestic prisoners and putting Muslims into concentration camps in their own (conquered) territories instead of doing it in places that fly different flags. Think of how horrible that would be if that were the case! Edit: 你好，无毛党！

s/无/五/ You spelled it in pinyin right, but your IME chose the wrong character. That may be deliberate censorship by the conversion dictionary compilers.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by atomi »

thrower123 wrote: post #32
kentrado wrote: post #28

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It is more state capitalism. Socialism implies more democracy.

National Socialism was state capitalism. The CCP's control of their corporations and conglomerates is almost like they took Speer's notebooks and followed them to the letter. It's possible that Krupp and IG Farben and Messerschmitt were able to wag the dog a little more than their Chinese equivalents, but the resemblances are striking.

You could make the argument that the bigger problem, still, is China's lack of political diversity. One party has supreme control.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by redleggedfrog »

unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by throw51319 »

resters wrote: post #30
VvR-Ox wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they are not the same warmongerers as the USA. Their tactics to use the legit ways of business to gain more power is really smart compared to many western countries who just invade others with brute force, military and bombs. China is a f*ed up country concerning human rights etc. but in the end we could really use a mix of the best ideas from both worlds. I'm afraid the world will go on like it does because…

Exactly right. China is overall far less destructive to the world and to human rights than the US is. Keep in mind that Trump has started this anti-China drumbeat as a way of asserting the moral superiority of his administration.

China pollutes more than the US. Also anybody can see that they are gearing up for a conflict to obtain hegemony. They are the ones posturing for inevitable conflict... just so they can gain more power over the world. Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh?

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by mschuster91 »

thrower123 wrote: post #22
nutcracker46 wrote: post #2

Deleted only from the web controlled by the Peopple's Republic of China. You can still access South Park from the Republic of China and elsewhere. (Look what I did there: two countries, not one.)

The One China policy is moronic. If they keep being assholes, it is about time to give Taiwan their long overdue recognition. Hell, give them back the Security Council seat that they had until the 70s...

> Hell, give them back the Security Council seat that they had until the 70s...

I'd rather prefer reforming the UN SC to get rid of the "veto" concept. It's time that the US, China and Russia have to finally be held accountable for the shit they did all over the world.

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