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After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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If you cannot watch the episode in your country, here is a link to the "Band in China" on facebook (subbed in traditional Chinese): https://www.facebook.com/fighterstudiohk/videos/396572967928...

Uhm? Facebook is the first thing that non-Western countries will block for political reasons.

While most users in China don't have access to Facebook, it is still pretty cheap/easy† for Chinese citizens to buy access to a VPN that allows them to use services by Western companies (e.g. Facebook, Google, Twitter)

†: https://www.saporedicina.com/english/vpn-how-to-access-faceb...

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

No, not always. They sometimes do that. Calling vegetarians pussies [0] is not speaking truth to power. It's punching down. South Park's approach is more the "try to piss off everyone" approach, which while funny, is a bad way to find your moral compass.

0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTog_NtCEio

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

That has been pretty much South Park's entire premise from day one: mocking the stupid shit we as societies do.

My favorite thing about South Park is when it satires the over-corrective tendency of American society. When the adults get up in arms about a supposed crisis, inevitably making things worse in the process, and the kids are the only ones acting rationally.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

The message of South Park is to point at people with any conviction and say “ha! Look at these idiots with an ideology. The only correct way is to be edgy and make fun of everything” It’s basically about nihilism.

"It seems to be a hangover of the Medieval Catholic era that causes most people, even the educated, to think that everybody must "believe" something or other, that if one is not a theist one must be a dogmatic atheist, and if one does not think capitalism is perfect, one must believe fervently in socialism, and if one does not have blind faith in "X", one must alternatively have blind faith in not X or reverse of X. My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assume certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered typically dead under current medical standards where absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended." Robert Anton Wilson

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

South Park is 100% right. We need to back them in their fight against a murderous totalitarian dictatorship holding millions of people in concentration camps. We might like the cheap goods coming from China, but remember they come from people who are forced to work at 7 days a week 14 hours a day for nearly no pay. Boycott the NBA and Blizzard and anyone else who won't start standing up for democracy.

Being the weaker party in a negotiation is a new role for US, we'll get used to it...

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/oct/08/we-good... "'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology after show reportedly censored" Well all publicity is good publicity, fair play to them for standing up to their principles

They got me to watch an episode for the first time in over a decade, so yeah, well done all around.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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All the other stuff doesn't matter I guess (nba, hollywood, apple, blizzard, etc)? But since techies love south park for some reason we suddenly care? HN are full of hypocrites. In any case, I need to go rewatch the episode with chinese translations. Watched it on hulu and CC didn't show for the chinese speaking parts :( .

The Blizzard story is the top HN story today with 1,700+ upvotes.

Yesterday, HN's top story was about Apple removing the Taiwan flag from the emoji keyboard: https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2019-10-07

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You had me until "cancel culture" Exactly how many irreverent comedians who achieved significant success and are not really accountable to anyone, telling it like it is, have been cancelled by the cancel culture? Cosby, TJ Miller, Louis CK, Jeffrey Tambor, James Franco, ...? A good list of people who did morally reprehensible things of varying degrees, from illegal to merely opening their employers to civil liability…

Roseanne Barr. Had her ABC show cancelled over a tweet, yet ABC-owned ESPN hired Keith Olbermann. Multiple examples of someone posting vile stuff on a blog or twitter and being unscathed (Joy Reid is one quick example,) but Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump . Another example is Shane Gillis — cancelled because of something he said, not any specific action. Getting cancelled for sexually abus…

Barr, Gillis and Hart were fired from one job because they alienated a large enough swath of their employers' customers and advertisers that they thought it would be bad for business. That's capitalism.

Furthermore, they're all still working, so I don't see how cancelled is the right word here.

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China pollutes more than the US. Also anybody can see that they are gearing up for a conflict to obtain hegemony. They are the ones posturing for inevitable conflict... just so they can gain more power over the world. Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh?

>Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh? Here in Europe we are very thankful, if it wasn't for America we would still be a third world country living in tents. Thanks for democracy, freedom, art, philosophy, medicine and so on. I only wish Europe had any of the smart minds that you have, maybe we could come up with them. Oh wait...

Uh that's not even what I'm saying. Of course Europe itself contributed to it's success and wellbeing too. I was saying the alternative of Nazi or Soviet influence probably would not have turned out as well. Also using your train of thought, because the Nazis made scientific advancements they are "good"?

I was saying that whatever system the US promoted after WW2, it worked out pretty well for most of us. Europe and the US have protected press, free thought, science advancements. People can watch/read what they want. There are problems but it's def a collection of good societies. So idk what your issue is?

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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I just explained this to my mother, who is 80 and has dementia, and this is what she said:

"That's silly."

"It's only going to make people around the world watch it."

"A country the size of China with the power that they have and they mess up on a tiny insult."

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