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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the factual moderate news media It's not a conspiracy. You can have emergent bias as much as planned bias. That's basically the position of various HR departments who offer unconscious bias training. At any rate, every study I've seen has confirmed that most media orgs at least lean left. Have you seen any that disagree?
The fundamental bias here is not the media, but the definition of "left". If you transplanted CNN into France or Germany, their editorial position would be on the mainstream center-right. For example, I've noticed that a lot of Americans think of Angela Merkel as a leftist. But she's a right-wing conservative from a party called "Christian Democratic Union"! In a way, the American media has been successfully gerryman…
There's not enough space here to get into it in too much detail, but for historical reason, the American right isn't (*) the same thing as the European right. Hundreds of years ago, the U.S. was a constitutional republic with working federalism and a limited national government. Hundreds of years ago, Europe was a lot of things, but often there were monarchs and dictators.
So things that seem rather moderate to a European (nationalising some industry) is a brand new thing in the American context.
There are also complexities in that America doesn't really have a clearly defined racial, religious, or ethnic identity. The common identity in America mostly centers around ideas and individual rights, so the American right has much more interest in liberty, relatively, compared to the European right.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#113> my abhorrence at the recent hate-spawned violence in Charlottesville, and earlier today I called on all leaders to condemn the white supremacists Does he know that the victim of violence was actually the attacker and he attacked walking protesters with baseball bat? https://streamable.com/svxcr
Do you know that he's not talking about that incident but about the murder of Heather Heyer and the wounding of 10's of others?
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#114"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.
I don't understand the claim that moderates have no voice in the United States. I'm not American, but have spent quite a lot of time in the country. From my point of view, most of the media is moderate left -- and they have a very loud voice indeed. The extreme left exists but has very little visibility compared to France, for example. (That is convenient for right-wing press like Breitbart, because it lets them pain…
> Polls suggest they have a lot of support, but their leaders seem to have decided not to use their voice.
Is that really true? Just off the top of my head, Lindsey Graham has been pretty vocal the last few months. I would paint him as a poster boy of the American moderate right (holding fairly conservative positions but clearly opposed to the more extreme American right).
If you mean the actual leadership, e.g. Paul Ryan, well I think it's obvious why they've stayed silent.
I think those moderate voices are just being drowned out.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#115Isn't being on council would provide us like 0.9% of chance he would listen rather having no correct person on the council ?
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…
> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…
I would applaud you identifying as a moderate if I didn't read you just mock John Oliver, BLM, and the nut job whom you identified as a "left-wing" activist that shot the Member of Congress.
so you are a moderate eh?
> The mob has the intellect and the attention span of a goldfish.> This is quite a statement. You so wish this was true. If it was, then you could get away with writing trash opinions pretending to be moderate, while really being nothing of the sort, and people might not notice.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…
> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…
> deranged
Key word there, also I'm not aware of anybody on the left who even thinks about giving support to that short of action let alone dares to voice it.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it people who support Nazis who downvote this There are certainly a lot of people on here who are very keen to point out that the Nazis aren't that bad because [bullshit reasons], yes.
Are there? I mean, I see lots of false equivalence arguments and (possibly fair, possibly not) criticisms of political violence from left-leaning groups. But surely no one is arguing "Nazis aren't bad" on HN?
>I see lots of false equivalence arguments and (possibly fair, possibly not)
If they are fair then it's just equivalence, not false equivalence. I feel like this has become the new vogue term thrown around since Charlottesville happened, and it's seeing a lot of misuse. Most people don't even bother to explain why the equivalence is false, thus attempting to shut down the conversation in the manner of the fallacy fallacy.
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#119> my abhorrence at the recent hate-spawned violence in Charlottesville, and earlier today I called on all leaders to condemn the white supremacists Does he know that the victim of violence was actually the attacker and he attacked walking protesters with baseball bat? https://streamable.com/svxcr
Nobody is talking about him.
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#120the left are mostly moderates. we lost our shit and started sounding like extremists when we elected a nazi as president. I will not apologize for that either.
Calling the president a Nazi isn't a moderate position.
Yeah, technically more correct would be Al Sharpton position which is Trump Traffics in Racism.
Trump is beholden to what he believes is his base: Alt-Right and Putin. He does not and never had really a position but is begging for applause from reliable sources.