HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers • Hacker News Board

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by consto » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:36 PM UTC

PieterH wrote: post #84

bArray wrote: post #59

I think this calls for a cheap open source printer to be made. Nothing complex is needed initially, just black and white with low running costs. In reality, any liquid that stains the paper of a given consistency should be fine. It shouldn't be costing this much to replace ink.

All you need to do is buy from a business that doesn't depend on fraud. Samsung make very nice and cheap black & white laser printers. I've bought two over the last few years, around $70. I see one on Amazon for $75 that has wifi printing as well), comes with a cartridge that lasted me 2-3 years and some thousands of pages, and replacement cartridges are $60 for branded ones, less than half that for generics. The pri…

HP buys Samsung's $1bn printer business

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37337989

Looks like Samsung won't be making "very nice and cheap black & white laser printers" for much longer.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by jws » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:37 PM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #86

PieterH wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you need to do is buy from a business that doesn't depend on fraud. Samsung make very nice and cheap black & white laser printers. I've bought two over the last few years, around $70. I see one on Amazon for $75 that has wifi printing as well), comes with a cartridge that lasted me 2-3 years and some thousands of pages, and replacement cartridges are $60 for branded ones, less than half that for generics. The pri…

Good news! HP just bought Samsung's printer business. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10677/hp-acquire-samsung-print...

There is still Brother. They make nice, inexpensive black and white laser printers.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by tdkl » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:37 PM UTC

clarry wrote: post #67

tdkl wrote: post #43

Does this also happens with laser toner cartridges ? I really have no idea why people even buy those inkjet printers anymore, price per page is lower with laser printers and prices even for a color laser are in sub 200€$ range.

Laser sucks for printing photos.

True although cost of printing photos on an inkjet is again much higher then getting them printed in a shop.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by 83457 » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:41 PM UTC

I gave up on inkjet printers a long time ago. Is there any justification for using inkjet over laser for black and white?

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by tdkl » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:42 PM UTC

consto wrote: post #111

PieterH wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you need to do is buy from a business that doesn't depend on fraud. Samsung make very nice and cheap black & white laser printers. I've bought two over the last few years, around $70. I see one on Amazon for $75 that has wifi printing as well), comes with a cartridge that lasted me 2-3 years and some thousands of pages, and replacement cartridges are $60 for branded ones, less than half that for generics. The pri…

HP buys Samsung's $1bn printer business http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37337989 Looks like Samsung won't be making "very nice and cheap black & white laser printers" for much longer.

There's also Xerox apparently, cousin got a B&W laser[1] with WiFi for 55€. Original toner is around that price, but third party toner with warranty is 20-30€.

[1] http://www.office.xerox.com/printers/laser-printers/phaser-3...

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by CydeWeys » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:52 PM UTC

clarry wrote: post #67

tdkl wrote: post #43

Does this also happens with laser toner cartridges ? I really have no idea why people even buy those inkjet printers anymore, price per page is lower with laser printers and prices even for a color laser are in sub 200€$ range.

Laser sucks for printing photos.

Is there a reason that Shutterfly or other similar services don't satisfy those needs? I try not to own things anymore unless I use them frequently (lessons learned after moving twice in Manhattan), and printing color photos definitely isn't a frequent need for me, or I suspect, for most people.

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Post by CydeWeys » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:54 PM UTC

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #79

As an aside, does anyone remember the last time they were happy with ANY HP product? Everytime I see that logo I get chills knowing what a pain in the ass it's going to be. Edit: I am specifically thinking about HPSM, and HPNA here.

I have an HP Chromebook 13" that's been pretty good so far. That's an official collaboration with Google being the driving force behind the specs and HP being responsible for the manufacturing, though, so it isn't really comparable to their printer line.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by CydeWeys » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:55 PM UTC

dinnouti wrote: post #95

The Amazon Basic is my go to brand, their are cheap and functional. I wish they get into printers.

That would be amazing if Amazon released store brand printers with no nonsensical ink policies. They would wreak havoc on the entrenched players. Amazon could pull it off.

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Post by CydeWeys » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:57 PM UTC

tluyben2 wrote: post #50

Not trolling, but why do you use printers? I haven't used paper for 5 odd years now. The gov here (Spain) gives me tons of paper; I photograph it and then leave it and have them print it out when needed. Outside that I have not needed paper since the ipad. Why do other people?

I need to print out things every so often. Things like official notices to my tenants, concert tickets, forms to be mailed to various government agencies.

I don't own a printer though, I just use the own at work. I'm there five days a week anyway. I also do all my mailing from work, which is more convenient than trying to do it from home on the weekend.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by proactivesvcs » Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 1:58 PM UTC

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #79

As an aside, does anyone remember the last time they were happy with ANY HP product? Everytime I see that logo I get chills knowing what a pain in the ass it's going to be. Edit: I am specifically thinking about HPSM, and HPNA here.

My HP Compaq 8510w mobile workstation died two weeks ago. Had it since about 2009 and it has enjoyed at least 10,000 miles in a bicycle pannier. I had to replace a screen hinge a few years back and that's all.

As for their consumer-grade laptops over that same period - having had to repair so many, replace year-old batteries and AC adapters I wouldn't go near them with a barge pole.