Lightning Kills More People in the USA Than Terrorists Do
So does cancer, diabetes and cows... they don't do it with firearms though. The operative word here is firearms and that's what people are trying to discuss.
Toddlers Kill More People in the USA (with guns) Than Terrorists Do
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#112> Growing up here myself didn’t prepare me for how distinctly, viscerally frightening it would be to raise children in a gun-obsessed nation. All arguments aside, this is just... really? I mean, come on.
I am a bit baffled by the terror-stricken tone of the article, summed up in this sentence. I live in Appalachia. I hear shooting on almost every nice day. I am playing outside in the yard with my toddlers and the neighbors are shooting things. I don't even think about it.
Just don't piss them off while they're drunk.
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#113Since this is today's gun argument thread, I'll just point out that the UK is currently commemorating the 20th anniversary of its first and last "mass shooting" incident, at a school in Dunblane, Scotland. The ensuing total ban on handguns and further restriction on gun licensing mean that mass shootings are nonexistant, firearm murders are extremely rare (about one per year in a country of 60m), shooting of suspects…
>> police are not routinely armed I'm a gun owner and this is the key point for me. No politician is in a position to tell me I don't need my semi-automatic pistol if every day I see a patrol car go by my house with 2 fully automatic AR-15s locked between the front seats and my local police department owns an armoured vehicle. If you really think you have a plan for getting rid of guns for bad guys as well as me, pro…
This is a good point. I think it's ingrained in American culture (and the Constitution) that part of the purpose of personal gun ownership is to curb governmental power. How can gun control be justified when police are roaming around like a para-military group?
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know anyone who is pro-gun that is going to give up his gun as long as there is a terrorism threat to his family and country. Politicians need to squelch the terrorism war chanting if they ever want any form of gun control to pass in the U.S.
No one but scared liberals want "gun control". Freedom-loving Americans want elected officials to enforce the existing laws, not create new ones out of fear. Registration is the first step to disarmament. Look back no further than Janet Reno, thankfully no longer in her position, who famously said that the actual goal is disarmament of the population. A certain venomous Democrat presidential hopeful has also echoed t…
Surely that is all US politicians if you look at anything else in the constitution except guns.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
As soon as I saw John Lott, I knew I was going to be dealing with one-sided data. But I'm having trouble replicating that graph from https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm... It did point out that I was wrong about no mass shootings (p57): "In 2010/11, the police provisionally recorded 642 offences of homicide, which includes the 12 people killed by Derrick Bird in June 2010. Homicide offences i…
I was sure there was a nasty bit of deception going on, I was digging through gov.uk's England/Wales crime stats PDFs looking for the explanation and it seems you've figured it out :) However if my previous chats with pro-gun types are anything to go by, please don't be surprised if there's a reply along the lines of "so if that was the cause then why don't you go ban medication..."
Washington DC has the lowest gun ownership per capita and yet the highest gun murder rates in America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...
Please explain the lack of correlation between gun murders and gun ownership. Even when controlling for density, there is still no correlation.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Terrorism is almost by definition sensationalist. The argument I referred to as cheapened was the argument being made in the article against guns. Both sides of the gun argument are very passionate. In order for either to make headway with the other they have to avoid starting with hyperbole. Instead, all you get is both sides shouting at each other.
As an Australian I find the gun debate in the US confusing. I think there should be more attention on the middle ground's point of view, as the arguments on both extreme sides are not realistic (In current US culture). On the pro-gun side there is a resistance to the idea that gun-control will limit the number of gun-related deaths ("the criminals will just get guns on the black market") and on the anti-gun side ther…
A reasonable thought on gun control and gun violence is not allowed the US! Either you're for the mass killings of Americans or you're for the door to door confiscation of all guns. /s
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#117Lightning Kills More People in the USA Than Terrorists Do
So does cancer, diabetes and cows... they don't do it with firearms though. The operative word here is firearms and that's what people are trying to discuss.
Correct, lightning kills with electricity, not firearms.
The point is both incidents are incredibly rare. Your first two examples don't really work in this context; cows on the other hand - good example. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5829a2.htm
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#118This gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "but think of the children!" :)
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Data doesn't fit my pre-conceptions. Better ignore the data.
I'm sorry, what I was trying to say was it'd be enlightening to see a news article (links?) on someone killed by a gun to correlate truth to anything with those stats or the implied representation anyway. Also it looks like you created a throwaway to say this. It says a lot about your conviction on what you're saying.
Nice ad-hominem.
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#120I always hate these kind of articles. As a US citizen there's only rule when it comes to firearms and that's the 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Until a new Amendment is passed to revoke this individual right, all arguments are invalid.
So, we should all be allowed to own bazookas and nukes and aircraft carriers? Because, if this is about securing the state (either against a tyrannical government, or a 3rd party), rifles and handguns aren't going to cut it. Or, are you limiting your interpretation to firearms in common use at the time of the Constitutional Convention? In which case, you can turn in your Glock and your AK. Point being, we already hav…
>So, we should all be allowed to own bazookas and nukes and aircraft carriers?
Most of those are prohibitively expensive, but why not? Is your argument that somehow ordinary people will be more likely to use them indiscriminately?
I mean, who is the US government, which owns bazookas and air craft carriers, but a collection of ordinary people who have done their share of indiscriminate usage of weaponry?