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Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Puts this quote in a new light: >He is one of few individuals with a deep understanding of what it means to provide a digital home for tens of millions of people for more than a decade. There is nobody more qualified than Hiroyuki to lead 4chan, and I can't think of a person better suited for the task.

The Japanese government payed him to take down politically sensitive posts on 2channel[1]. He's probably the worst person to put in charge of a community according those who were subjected to him in the past. [1] http://www.anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/

The paranoid side of me wonders if this is just a formalization of data collection that may already exist on 4chan.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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post #100

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Can you (or any pro-gamergaters) show me one site that you think counts as a pro gamergate site?

Here's a few: http://deepfreeze.it ( exhaustively sourced list of complaints against game journalists and information on the movement as a whole) http://techraptor.com (games news site, spawned in the wake of gamergate) http://escapistmagazine.com (games news site, updated ethics policies after initial complaints, allows open discussion on the forums)

DeepFreeze.it repeats the lies about Zoe Quinn.

http://www.deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=monster

> The overwhelming majority of their coverage consists solely of reprinting verbatim the anecdotal and often unverified accounts from controversial figures who directly profit from being considered targets of harassment — Zoe Quinn being a good example.

> Often described as an indie developer, Quinn has produced very little aside from the low-effort, unpolished free text adventure Depression Quest. More notable about Quinn was the disproportionate attention she got from the gaming press despite her limited accomplishments, from journalists such as her financial backer Ben Kuchera of Polygon and her friend Patricia Hernandez of Kotaku.

http://www.deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=unfair

> Hernandez has also promoted two Kickstarters by GaymerX while being on friendly terms with the organization's president Toni Rocca and some of the other GaymerX staff. She has also given positive press, without disclosure, to her friends David Gallant and Zoe Quinn.

http://www.deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=nathan_grayson

> Positive coverage of Zoe Quinn in three articles, without disclosing their friendship and eventual affair. Later covered Quinn again, disclosing they "dated briefly", but not that he had previously financially supported her.

Techraptor does the same.

http://techraptor.net/content/zoe-quinn-lying-journalists

> One of the first things that seems quite possibly true about Zoe Quinn is the fact that she plays heavily into self-victimization. Now I will concede that I am not entirely knowledgeable about the psychology behind self-victimization, but what it is defined as makes it fairly easy to identify.

> The most high profile example of this was Zoe Quinn’s claim that Wizardchan raided and doxxed (acquired and revealed personal info) her. That whole affair is best summed up here. Basically, the takeaway from that is that her accusations hold little if any merit at all. What is consistently seen throughout that is how easily she puts herself forward as a victim and asks for consolation from a variety of personalities and sites. Even if you only read the text surrounding the images of her tweets and other communications, you can see this.

This is supposed to be an example of a site that doesn't promote and continue harassment? I can see why people think gamergate advocates are the worst kind of fucking scumbag.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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By directly invoking Godwin himself, are you saying that Godwin created something so influential, that shaped internet culture for better and for worse, that Godwin's Law itself is an achievement to be proud of, even if he never made much money from it?

He's comparing him to Hitler. Hitler had a huge influence on the world, for better and for worse, but that doesn't mean it is something he should necessarily be proud of.

woosh

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Disagree. 4chan is great and important. It shaped the Internet we know today in so many great ways, and in a few cautionary ways as well. Moot should be proud.

I was talking about what he will be known for (which is pretty much /b/ and /pol/), not what 4chan is. That's a much different conversation, and not exactly black or white.

Is /pol/ really that noticeable from outside 4chan?

I've been a 4channer for a long time, and only recently I've been noticing /pol/.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

Don't confuse "4chan" with /b/ or /pol/. There is a lot to be proud of in 4chan.

The fact that boards like /pol/ and /b/ exist alongside genuinely brilliant places like /out/, /mu/, /n/, etc is a miracle to take pride in itself

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Disagree. 4chan is great and important. It shaped the Internet we know today in so many great ways, and in a few cautionary ways as well. Moot should be proud.

I am curious, could you think of some examples of the great ways it influenced the internet?

I think 4chan reserves props for much of the discrediting of scientology over the past few years.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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post #46

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Pride doesn't pay bills

Your statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal.

"Your statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal."

Sure seems like it is, since -- you know -- he just sold 4chan.

Thanks for your cute little contrarian comment, though. It was very stimulating.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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post #38

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I think what people tend to get upset about is having their opinions dismissed and smugly described as a harassment campaign. Both sides of that stupid gamergate fiasco had legitimate complaints and both sides had assholes who harassed the other side. I mean it's pretty easy to see what camp you fall into, and you're basically ascribing a very shallow set of beliefs to an entire group of people - the exact same thing…

So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

Calling it harassment is a huge discredit to a movement that holds very valid criticisms of both these people.

Edit: I should qualify this. Both sides of the issue have their shitshows distorting the debate with harassment and dirty tactics. At its core gamergate is a conflict between cultural authoritarians and libertarians. It is just the beginning of a wider issue, the old guard of the internet, those that believe in freedom of expression without repurcussion vs those who believe that speech on the internet should involve more social responsibility.

There is really no reason why they should not co exist. Gamergate is one of the examples however of what happens when both occupy the same space. Those who are afraid of their space changing vs those who refuse to occupy such spaces.

There's nothing stopping either ideals staying within their own space or creating their own, however the internet is a pressure cooker that inevitavly leads to a game of escalation and one up mansship where no compromise is accepted.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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post #103

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Okay, so considering that 4chan didn't accept donations, didn't have any form of user-generated revenue until the (very recent) 4chan pass thing, Poole has always maintained that the site was a money loser. Also, cheap to run? The bandwidth costs alone would be HUGE. Not sure why you think he has a motive to lie about this - and if he does, again, put forth some evidence rather than spurious accusations. Calling the…

You conveniently missed ad revenue. 4chan has around 650m pageviews a month. At $0.25/1000 that's a few million a year. And I didn't say he was lying, I said I don't believe him.

4Chan's self serve ads are priced at a quarter of that, ~.25c CPM currently, and the inventory is never completely sold.
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