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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Torgo »

chisleu wrote: post #16
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying all of 4chan was upset (I'd imagine many might be quite happy, but kept quiet). Perhaps not even most of 4chan. I just think that's probably the main reason why anyone would call the mods 'SJWs'. (Though maybe 'SJW mods' is just the new 'fascist mods')

I don't think this is the case at all. Gamergate was noisy and annoying at it's best on 4chan. However, there have been many bans for posts wildly outside of gamergate, that were on SJW talking points. The reason gamergate was banned from 4chan is they kept posting pics of zoe and moot hanging out at conferences and bars and such.

Mods/janitors ruined /cgl/ (cosplay board) well before gamergate existed and it definitely had a (so-called, I dislike the term) "SJW" flavor.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by JohnBooty »

wingerlang wrote: post #30
austenallred wrote: post #17

I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

His resume should be pretty damn impressive though. Those numbers are huge.

Incredible resume, but it doesn't necessarily mean companies will be lining up to hire moot.

What I mean is: 4chan was a singular achievement. You couldn't exactly just slot moot in at Imgur or Reddit or Hacker News or some other community; his talents wouldn't necessarily be transferable/applicable.

I say that with a great deal of respect for moot and what he built, even if some really horrible stuff came out of that place.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by DonHopkins »

moomin wrote: post #81
Cakez0r wrote: post #18

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4chan has shaped internet culture for better and for worse. I think that to have created something so influential is an achievement to be proud of.

I invoke Godwin to refute this assertion.

By directly invoking Godwin himself, are you saying that Godwin created something so influential, that shaped internet culture for better and for worse, that Godwin's Law itself is an achievement to be proud of, even if he never made much money from it?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

icebraining wrote: post #87
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #57

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If a few incidents by bad actors make a harassment campaign, what does that say for feminism with incidents such as donglegate.

Karunamon above, defending GG, says it started out as an harassment campaign. Is it wrong?

I'm sure there are a few civil rights movements that had some nasty issues when they started out. Do we judge based on where one came from or who one is now?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by austenallred »

krapp wrote: post #85
astrodust wrote: post #69

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Not dying from starvation is the goal.

To be fair, I doubt moot would have trouble finding money if he looked for it.

He raised money in the past. The company failed. He was living with his parents for a while, trying to figure out what to do.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/4chans-overlord...

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by JohnBooty »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #54
comrh wrote: post #38

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So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

This reminds me of attempts to discredit planned parenthood by pointing out the views of some of the founders. Even if it is true, should something be judged based on where it came from instead of what it currently is?

Planned Parenthood is close to 100 years old so in that sense it's not comparable to something like GamerGate that's barely a year old.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Nadya »

VLM wrote: post #84
dvdcxn wrote: post #37

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Look past the media slant and you will find one of the last true bad lands of the internet, mired in post irony, where speech is free and each poster's opinion is as equally without value as another. Where unpopular opinions are given as much weight as popular ones (i.e. barely any). Its equal parts a utopia and a cesspool. Without it, there would be no such thing as "internet culture".

As a practical example, /out/ and /diy/ are two of the only places on the internet where you can get useful information about gear. Everything else is tainted by ad money. When the competition is 99% pimping and astroturfing for advertisers, being 10% useful and only 90% noise makes /out/ about ten times as information dense as any other place on the internet. This is why people who don't read or agree with /pol/ non…

>As a practical example, /out/ and /diy/ are two of the only places on the internet where you can get useful information about gear. Everything else is tainted by ad money.

Maybe /g/ is just more aware of the shills? I have a picture where one of the Windows Nokia phones had like 200+ threads made within a week all with the same image and very similar OP. There's a lot of shills and unfortunately it can take some effort to convince people "this is a shill thread". Sometimes a fake-advice question will get posted with fake answers meant to shill a product/service as the solution.

>/fit/ ironically does not discuss actual fitness, but is more a social group for people into fitness to discuss seemingly everything except fitness related issues.

Mostly just 'mirin each other.

I feel like people who have a very negative outlook of 4chan (as a whole) either never ventured outside of /b/ or can't wade through the cruft to get to the actual good discussion.

With the help of 2 friends of mine, we hosted a fun "learn interesting physics" thread for a while. There was also a guy who hosted Reverse Engineering threads (his job was to reverse engineer malware...). Both very informative and a lot of people took genuine interest.

I also made a short (and now defunct, though I can rehost it) web-based puzzle for people on /g/ to learn a bit about encryption. Starting with a simple ROT13 and working up to audio stenography.

It's a lot like Reddit with, I'd argue, a bit more extreme on the "bad" side - equivalent on the "good" side - but a lot more honest opinions due to anonymity. You'll get a lot of smart people who (wisely) value their public image self-censoring themselves on Reddit. Though on an anonymous board, they're more free to say what they want to say.

In exchange for that honesty and freedom of opinion - you get a lot more of the "darker side" of humanity. (Ignoring it doesn't make it go away, as so many people seem to believe.)

The level of honest opinions is something I enjoy - and is something that is increasingly being lost on an ever-connected web where one politically incorrect statement can lose you your job/career.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by austenallred »

tomasien wrote: post #21
austenallred wrote: post #17

I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

Disagree. 4chan is great and important. It shaped the Internet we know today in so many great ways, and in a few cautionary ways as well. Moot should be proud.

I was talking about what he will be known for (which is pretty much /b/ and /pol/), not what 4chan is. That's a much different conversation, and not exactly black or white.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

JohnBooty wrote: post #96
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of attempts to discredit planned parenthood by pointing out the views of some of the founders. Even if it is true, should something be judged based on where it came from instead of what it currently is?

Planned Parenthood is close to 100 years old so in that sense it's not comparable to something like GamerGate that's barely a year old.

Either origin matters more than current composition or it doesn't.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by DanBC »

Dirlewanger wrote: post #88
Karunamon wrote: post #55

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You (not you personally) saying it is not will not change that perception. Perhaps, but correcting misinformation wherever its seen should be the goal of anyone connected with the movement. Perceptions can change. Gamers have been a marginalized group for pretty much as long as the hobby has existed, so this is nothing new. People lying about them, their hobby, making fun of them as losers and shut-ins and immature a…

>I'd say they've done quite a lot of good already. Absolutely, and the saddest part about all this is that entities with painfully overt agendas (The Verge/Vox, Ars Technica, etc.) were more than happy to report on all the negatives, and will still continue to, while reporting none of the good that's come out of it. Same with people on this site for the most part: they've completely made up their mind about what Game…

Can you (or any pro-gamergaters) show me one site that you think counts as a pro gamergate site?
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