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I don't think there is any SJW on 2chan. It's pretty much as trash as 4chan.
That was my point. 4Chan has pretty heavy SJW influence right now.
Every time someone uses "SJW" seriously on HN, a puppy dies.
Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan
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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan
#52Can we get /prog/ back? <3
If only The Sussman were still alive, we might have a chance to reach satori.
Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> he never made much money from You believe that? Dude banked on both the sale and takeover, plus the ad revenue when he was running the site. He had no alternative but to push the poverty myth (Kevin Rose@Digg also did this). Can you imagine what the users would do if he disclosed how much he was raking in? My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more.
What ad revenue? 4chan has always had a huge problem attracting advertisers due to the ahem nature of its content. I could imagine that he made some serious bank on the sale, but the site has always has run at a net loss.
> 4chan has always had a huge problem attracting advertisers due to the ahem nature of its content
According to who?
Remember how cheap the site is to run.
It's like the Pirate Bay guys saying they made no money. Those ads paid big and they raked.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think what people tend to get upset about is having their opinions dismissed and smugly described as a harassment campaign. Both sides of that stupid gamergate fiasco had legitimate complaints and both sides had assholes who harassed the other side. I mean it's pretty easy to see what camp you fall into, and you're basically ascribing a very shallow set of beliefs to an entire group of people - the exact same thing…
So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.
This reminds me of attempts to discredit planned parenthood by pointing out the views of some of the founders. Even if it is true, should something be judged based on where it came from instead of what it currently is?
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Yeah, no. People claiming "harassment!" absent evidence is not proof of said harassment existing, doubly so when the people shouting the loudest have a profit motive for its supposed existence. Also: It would be rather disingenuous to claim that gamergate are a bunch of harassers without acknowledging that prominent people within the movement have received things like syringes and knives in the mail... and been black…
Perception is reality. And it seems the perception is that Gahergate is a group of harrasors. You (not you personally) saying it is not will not change that perception. It seems to me that if you want Gamegate to be taken seriously (though I think it is way to late for that) Gamergate needs to start cleaning out it ranks. Which highlights the real issue. Gamergate has no central entity. So there are going to be peopl…
You (not you personally) saying it is not will not change that perception.
Perhaps, but correcting misinformation wherever its seen should be the goal of anyone connected with the movement. Perceptions can change.
Gamers have been a marginalized group for pretty much as long as the hobby has existed, so this is nothing new. People lying about them, their hobby, making fun of them as losers and shut-ins and immature and criminals in training, this is all de rigeur. One more insult on the pile doesn't change much.
>Gamergate needs to start cleaning out it ranks.
How so? Other than shouting down harassers, I'm not sure what action you expect a bunch of people centered around a hashtag and an idea to take.
>It will be almost impossible for Gamergate to do any good now
I'd say they've done quite a lot of good already. Disclosure policies at multiple journalism outfits enacted, FTC rules on paid endorsements being clarified due largely in part to an emailing campaign, hundreds of thousands of dollars raised for various charities...
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.
The start of it, sure. This is all public record at this point. Judging what exists now by what existed over a year ago is hardly fair. People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it.
GamerGate was sharing photos of Zoe Quinn from her old modeling profile as recently as a month ago. This is a continuous problem.
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> the thinly-disguised harassment campaign I am not convinced that repeating a lie a thousand times will make this claim the truth. The propaganda may have worked well back when gamergate was completely unknown to the general public, but we are past that, I think.
You’re partially right at least. It’s now a completely undisguised harassment campaign.
If a few incidents by bad actors make a harassment campaign, what does that say for feminism with incidents such as donglegate.
Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan
#58It's weird, because 2channel recently had a big user exodus. A lot of users used desktop clients. Those were banned in a push to monetize. As a result, a lot of 2ch users started lots of 2ch replacement subreddits, the largest being newsokur: https://www.reddit.com/r/newsokur
Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan
#59Hiroyuki Nishimura the previous administrator of 2ch.net sold the user data of 2channel users and he was fired by Jim, who happens to be the host of 8ch.net. Sweet sweet irony.
Is there any source on this?
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What ad revenue? 4chan has always had a huge problem attracting advertisers due to the ahem nature of its content. I could imagine that he made some serious bank on the sale, but the site has always has run at a net loss.
> 4chan has always had a huge problem attracting advertisers due to the ahem nature of its content According to who? Remember how cheap the site is to run. It's like the Pirate Bay guys saying they made no money. Those ads paid big and they raked.
According to the guy who ran the site. If you think he's lying about that, please put forth some evidence.