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I don't see how that's comparable. He's used racist slurs against various non-white ethnic groups and explicitly advocated for discrimination against certain (non-white) ethnic groups. If he's done the same with regard to white people, I'd be interested to hear about it.
You never heard him talk about the French? (Or Germans, for that matter.)
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Pretty much the only acceptable way I've found to watch is via their Fire TV Stick. I don't understand why their apps for other platforms is so bad; they are literally the last place I look before I give up.
> I don't understand why their apps for other platforms is so bad; I assumed it was to push people to the FireTV.
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Other people his age seem to manage just fine not saying racist comments. Why is he an exception?
Most other people don't spend hours and hours in front of camera trying to come up with material that can be brought together to a funny show with lots of jokes.
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You never heard him talk about the French? (Or Germans, for that matter.)
Yes, I have often heard white Europeans making fun of other white Europeans. The idea that it's ok to tell racist jokes as long as you also poke fun at more privileged groups of people simply makes no sense. That being said, Clarkson's xenophobia is hardly any more defensible than his racism.
Clarkson makes fun of everyone, himself more than anyone else (call that privilege). That is why he is funny.
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I've yet to hear an actual propf of him being openely racist. There was that outtake never shown on tv when he said thw n word as part of an old rymhe that was what it was. Can't find much more beyond that. Some wanton racism on their trips, played on stereotipes and misunderstanding, but critiquing vietnamese cousine or italian way of driving doesn't sound openly racist.
>I've yet to hear an actual propf of him being openely racist http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9247835/J...
suddenly one point out what other airport are doing calling it by its name and he's racist.
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Almost certainly it was illegal, yes, certainly highly dubious process which at one point threatened to being down the European Commission president. The European Commission is investigating eg see [1] and Amazon have stopped doing it. Oh and Amazon's head of tax was Luxembourg Honorary Consul to the Seattle are, hum. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/15/amazon-lux...
"Almost certainly" apparently means that no one was able to conclude that it was illegal. If crimes had been committed, they would have been prosecuted, but there were no grounds. However, companies may still decide to change the way they do things, e.g. for PR reasons.
[1] http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/cases/254685/25468...
Re: Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May
#107As much as I enjoy watching those three mess around on TV, I'm not giving tax-dodging Amazon £80 (~$125) a year for the privilege. Prime seems to have a poor UI (and from what I've read has an inferior service in the UK in terms of apps and content). I wouldn't benefit from the next day delivery because I don't order enough from them. Their (Clarkson, Hammond, May) audience will decrease wherever they ended up, but A…
Are they doing anything illegal in their "tax-dodging"? If not, why would they ever choose to pay more? I've never understood the point of vilifying companies for using "loopholes" to pay less taxes. If there was a loophole that allowed me to pay less income tax, I would absolutely take advantage of it. Why give away more of my money than I have to? If you want them to pay more, close the loophole that allows them to…
Amazon, Google, Starbucks etc engage in very aggressive tax planning. They say it's all legal - they're not trying to evade tax, just avoid it. But because their schemes are so aggressive it might be illegal. We don't really know because the cases would have to go to court. Sometimes tax authorities will investigate, and will persuade a company that their aggressive tax plannin was unlawful, and then get some repayment of the missing tax. This usually means that the company avoids the court case and doesn't have to repay the total tax they avoided.
No-one expects them to pay all their tax burden. People in the UK recognise that tax planning is a useful important activity.
What we don't like is companies taking the piss.
And as to why they should pay tax: they get the benefits from society that flow from taxes - educated workforce, police, road infrastructure, healthcare, etc etc. They should pay their share.
Finally these companies will sometimes mention other taxes. So they'll talk about VAT or PAYE. But VAT is a tax the customer pays. The company collects it, but it's collected from the customer. And PAYE is (apart from the employer's contribution) a tax that the employee pays, again collected by the company. It's a scumbag move to reduce your tax payments to the minimum you can and then talk about the tax other people pay as if it's tax you pay.
Re: Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May
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Are they doing anything illegal in their "tax-dodging"? If not, why would they ever choose to pay more? I've never understood the point of vilifying companies for using "loopholes" to pay less taxes. If there was a loophole that allowed me to pay less income tax, I would absolutely take advantage of it. Why give away more of my money than I have to? If you want them to pay more, close the loophole that allows them to…
I've fought this battle for a long time. It seems for most it's just a way to speak of their grievances against a company they don't like. It's just pointing their finger at the company saying they obviously are an evil corporation because they choose to take advantage of stupidly written tax laws that are totally legal yet I choose to define them as something only bad people do. Despite the fact they likely use simi…
Imagine an English person running an English business (eg, a tea shop with a single store and no online presence) in England. They want to advertise to people so they contact Google's English ad division and buy ads to be shown in England. They pay using English money, from their English bank account to Google's English bank account.
Somehow this doesn't count for English tax, somehow it's Irish tax.
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"Almost certainly" apparently means that no one was able to conclude that it was illegal. If crimes had been committed, they would have been prosecuted, but there were no grounds. However, companies may still decide to change the way they do things, e.g. for PR reasons.
No, "almost certainly" means the preliminary ruling found against Amazon/Luxembourg [1] but the final ruling has not taken place yet. It is not a matter of prosecution, they will have to pay back the money to Luxembourg. [1] http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/cases/254685/25468...
I just wish EU courts were even remotely as efficient in acting against states and enforcing the EU treaties in cases where the state is collecting tax more aggressively than what EU rules would allow.
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Yes, I have often heard white Europeans making fun of other white Europeans. The idea that it's ok to tell racist jokes as long as you also poke fun at more privileged groups of people simply makes no sense. That being said, Clarkson's xenophobia is hardly any more defensible than his racism.
First you say you are interested if he makes fun of white people, and when it is pointed out that he makes fun of white people, it is not interesting because then he is just making fun of "privileged" groups. Clarkson makes fun of everyone, himself more than anyone else (call that privilege). That is why he is funny.
>and when it is pointed out that he makes fun of white people
He doesn't make fun of white people as such. Making fun of Germans for being German is not the same as making fun of white people for being white.